Comment on Cause-effect was always a broken narrative. Twice-broken when you attach a pricetag.

• Flagstaff@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Um, if you punch me, I’m gonna be in pain. That’s a directly caused effect, so how is that “specious?”

  But you seem to be talking about something money-related, so an example of what you mean would be very helpful.

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  • rainrain@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Maybe I was inspired to punch you by a YouTube video. So it could be said that the creator of the video punched you.

    Consider a painting. A piece of art.

    We say the artist made it. But we could also argue that the manufacturers of the canvas, paint and brushes are owed credit. And the artist’s parents of course. And the society in which the artist was raised. And every source of inspiration.

    This could be said of every work, product, pile of amassed wealth… Cause is uncertain therefore ownership is uncertain.

    But there are certain stories that we prefer. Therefore, given the option, we choose them.

    And truth has little to do with it.

    Is this not obvious?

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    • Flagstaff@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Okay, finally, this makes more sense; I think you mislabeled the post as “cause and effect” when you’re really talking about ownership of property. Now this we could talk about endlessly, since it’s been such a hot topic with AI’s copyright-dodging.

      A good example I think of is Adobe InDesign (if I recall correctly), which only trains its AI models on content that is specifically AI-crawl-approved.

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      • rainrain@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yes, I think that the concept of cause-effect is inherently broken (tho useful, yes) and therefore the concept of ownership is broken. The game is broken.

        I demand greater rigor from the latter because it is the system by which we run our society etc.

        What is the proper approach to winning a broken game?

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• PP_BOY_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Put down the bong for a minute and make sure you drink plenty of water

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  • rainrain@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You appear to be a true believer.

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