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Did I miss something here? The way I understood it was that the demons were inherently evil and antagonistic towards humanity. They were good at playing the humans in that one town but ultimately Frieren did unmask them and the party did stop their plot. Sounds to me like reading some woke BS into a simple “monsters = bad = kill” story.

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HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Did you read about Tolkien’s dilemma? When you give your evil race the ability to think and feel you give away the right to call all of them evil. Because they can learn, they can learn to be good.

Yes, it’s morally good to kill the evil ones we see in the show, however, when you say you want to kill everyone, you are also roping in innocent lives.

(Also, using “woke” as a pejorative is really cringe.)

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- NineSwords@ani.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  It’s a fantasy world. If I can accept the concept of magic I can also accept the concept of an entirely evil race. I really don’t see the need to overthink it.
  
  (Also, I guess im cringe then. I can live with that.)
  
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  - HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Then the Frieren writer should make them objectively evil and not contradict themselves. I like it when writers put some thought into their genocides.
    
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    remon@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I think it’s fundamentally not what the show is about and not every show has to tackle every moral problem. Sometimes you just need interesting antagonists in a story and it would be boring of they were just drones.
    
    Don’t overthink it.
    
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- wzdd@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Not sure how you got that from the article. It says
  
  In Tolkien’s Christian framework, [being open to morality, like Men] in turn meant they must have souls, so killing them would be wrong without very good reason.
  
  It’s not them thinking and feeling that’s the problem, it’s that Tolkien’s believed that you shouldn’t kill things with souls.
  
  This is a nice contrast to Frieren where demons don’t have souls and don’t seem to be open to morality, either; they understand it in order to manipulate humans but consider themselves outside its framework.
  
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  - remon@ani.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    This is a nice contrast to Frieren where demons don’t have souls
    
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    Do they not? Aura’s scales of obedience are said to work by “placing her own and the target’s soul onto the scales to weigh their mana”.
    
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