Comment on Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC

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• avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  You get fast memory as a result. If you don’t care about the fast memory, there’s no good reason to buy this, with their motherboard. There’s a use case this serves which can’t be served by traditional slotted memory and the alternative is to buy 4-5 NVIDIA 3090/4090/5090. If you want that use case, then this is a pretty good deal.

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  • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    And your phone isn’t repairable because it needs to be water proof. Your earbuds because of power efficiency. Etc.

    Also, I suggest watching this www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3zB9EFntmA.

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    • avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      As far as I read LPCAMM in its current state does not work for this. The electrical noise is too high. These things aren’t the same. A repairable waterproof phone can be made without glue by making it a bit thicker. In the case of RAM today, we’re hitting fundamental physics limitations with speed of electricity and noise. At this point the physical interconnect itself becomes a problem. Gold contact points become antennas that induce noise into adjacent parts of the system. I’m not trying to excuse Framework here. I’m saying that the difficulty here borders on the impossible. If this RAM was soldered and it had bandwidth no different than SODIMM or LPCAMM modules then I’d say Framework fucked up making it soldered, majorly. As I said, there’s no point buying this if you don’t care about the fast RAM and use cases that need it like LLMs. Regular ITX board with regular AM5 is the way to go.

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• brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It will be faster than most next-gen laptops, and it’s much cheaper than a similarly-specced Asus Z13. Strix Halo uses a quad channel bus and, 2 full Ryzen CCDs, and a 40 CU GPU. Its more than twice the size/performance of two true “laptop chips” put together.

  Everything except the APU/RAM/Mobo combo is upgradable, and you don’t have to replace the whole machine if the board fails.

  I mean, if you don’t need that kind of compute/RAM, this system is not for you, and old gaming desktops are probably better deals for pure gaming. But this thing 100% has a niche.

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  • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Everything except the APU/RAM/Mobo combo is upgradable, and you don’t have to replace the whole machine if the board fails.

    So… storage, case, and USB C dongles?

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    • DacoTaco@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Fans, case, ports, side panel, …
      Whatever you do with a pc, you can do with this.
      Just not separately replace ram and cpu because of the cpu design of amd.

      Hell, it can be connected to another one to make on hell of a compute monster too.

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      • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Oh. Okay. As long as I can replace the side panel.

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      • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        A PC lets you replace the CPU, ram and plug in multiple pcie cards.

        This is less upgradable than the average laptop.

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    • Mac@mander.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You can change the squares on the front panel!!!

      /s

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  • DacoTaco@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I think the framework desktop would be an absolute powerhouse as a workstation desktops.
    Think developers ( that still use desktops ), people who do raw computational power for science, servers, ai development, …

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• DacoTaco@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  No, the pc is upgradable. They explicitly said in the event that the desktop was suppose to be an actual desktop with replaceable parts as much as technically possible

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  • Mihies@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    At least memory is soldered on because of high throughout they say.

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• ilinamorato@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  their pricing means it is basically never worth buying and upgrading versus just buying a new laptop (seriously, run the numbers. You basically save 10 bucks over two generations of shopping at Best Buy).

  Maybe so. But the big difference is, you can upgrade iteratively rather than taking the entire hit of a new device all at once. So I can buy all of the individual components of my next laptop a few hundred dollars at a time over the course of a couple of years, and use them as I get them. By the time I’ve ship-of-theseus’d the whole device, I may have spent the same amount of money on that new computer, but I paced it how I wanted it. Then I put all of the old components into an enclosure and now I can use it as a media center or whatever. Plus, if something breaks, I can fix it.

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