Sorry to be pedantic, but it’s “Sieg Heil”.
Sieg means Victory, so it means “Hail victory”.
Comment on Sooo, where did the blatant Nazism suddenly come from?
JustZ@lemmy.world 1 day ago
They e been doing Zeig Heils for years.
I wish I could find the documentary, about a woman who dated some alt right weirdo and he started taking her to like Turning Point USA meetings and other groups meetings and she describes how the first time she did Zeig Heils, and they just did this shit like it was normal. She describes going to a book burning, thinking it was a joke, and then it was like an actual book burning.
It’s all nudge nudge wink wink. They’re doing Nazi salute because they are Nazis.
CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.ee 1 day ago
I just don’t get how you can be a nazi and be ok with yourself. I can kinda understand how someone ends up an alt-right weirdo thinking that minorities are inferior but nazism is THE bad guy in so much media. Its like admitting that you kick puppies so hilariously evil that most people would think you were joking if you expressed that kind of mindset.
JustZ@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Cognitive dissonance is a lot of it.
Maybe don’t actually realize they are Nazis. I like to talk to these types and describe the events of the Boston Massacre (kid got shot after throwing snowballs and possibly rocks at the police, then a riot broke out and some rioters got shot) the Boston Tea Party (government raised taxes in an obvious money grab, so a bunch of protesters broke into a warehouse and destroyed a bunch of private property). Get them to take the side of the British, then tell them which events I’m talking about. They know from school, hopefully, at least as to those two events, how they felt about them when they learned about them, and you can see the dissonance contorting their faces.
Others are Nazi sympathizers. I knew a dude who felt that the coolest thing he owned was a Nazi dagger from WW2. It was his “everyday carry” knife. Only visible as a Nazi knife if you looked at the hilt. He thought the Holocaust was a ln exaggeration and that the Nazis had a lot of good ideas that would translate well to today’s problems; he thought Jews controlled the media, that blacks and browns were taking jobs from better qualified white people (hated “DEI”). He was delusional, living in a world that wasnt real. Brainwashed. Maybe not his fault, but he’s responsible for his behaviors. If an alt right style cleansing or war breaks out, he’ll be the first non-open Nazi to get excited to kill minorities.
Then there are actual Nazis. Two types. Dumb, racist poor people who feel comforted by Nazi rhetoric. And intelligent, wealthy people, who want to steal all wealth from minorities and send them to ghettos (or worse), so their companies and investments have no competition and their personal wealth may go unhindered. These are people who want to use racism to bring about oligarchy and a new age of imperialism, and they recognize the oath of least resistance is a friendly dictator, brought to power based on Nazi rhetoric. This is Musk and Bannon. The people who now feel emboldened to do Nazi salute in public, as a homage to the group above, who might get caught up doing them in private.
My hot take, anyway.
lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
There are people who proud themselves in kicking puppies and more would come forward if they felt it’s acceptable.
refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 23 hours ago
It’s mainly a mix of economic frusteration and a divide and conquor strategy by the rich in order to have the masses blame immigrants and people of other races/religions/genders for all of their problems instead of blaming the elite class and capitalism.
There is another angle, though, and that’s sexual frusteration. When a teenage male has issues getting laid and they look online for some kind of support, they find people like Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson who tells them that men who “get laid” are “alphas” or whatever and that women should be treated as subhuman or as slaves. These incels have likely never actually attempted to make friends with any women outside of a sexual context, because if they did, they would learn that women are the same as them, even when it comes to their struggles (even pertaining to dating/sexual frustrations).
I think the latter reason sparked the fire that made the first truely possible on a scale that we haven’t seen in our lifetimes.
CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.ee 21 hours ago
Fucking GG and its consequences.
stinerman@midwest.social 1 day ago
Reminds me of the Rule of Goats:
If you fuck a goat ironically, you’re still fucking a goat. Same goes with ironic Hitler salutes.
JustZ@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Reminds me of McGregor the Goat Fucker.
Nobody called him McGregor the bridge builder, despite a long and successful career as a bridge engineer. But he fucked one goat…
felixwhynot@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Curious to hear more about this documentary
JustZ@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Me too, I’d love to watch it again, but I can’t remember where I saw it.
The girl may have been a blogger or journalist at the start of it. It had something to do with Charlottesville. If anyone has any luck finding it, please ping me.
DashboTreeFrog@discuss.online 1 day ago
Makes me think of my younger days hanging out on 4chan, thinking I was having ironic, satirical laughs with my fellow anons until eventually realizing most of them actually believed what they were saying
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Yeah, old 4chan was definitely something. You had some of the absolute funniest shitposting imaginable, right next to some shit that no amount of eye bleach and showers could cleanse you of. Like, it was fun every once in a while for shits and giggles, but it started messing with your psyche after even an hour. The casual racism alone was in no way ironic. And So. Much. CP; to the point where most of the images aren’t even worth a glance because there’s a good chance it’s underage revenge porn. I genuinely don’t know how that site is still up.
Nowadays it’s pretty damn tame, at least compared to how it used to be. And the wicked thing is, there are people who legit live on there, as in it’s damn near all they do with their lives, both then and now. I’ll go peek in every few months for a nostalgia trip, but I’m out after 10 min on average, it’s still toxic as hell.
lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
It’s still pretty bad, but they recruited jannies recently and it seems to have a small effect.