Comment on US fab construction costs twice as much, takes twice as long as Taiwan

infinitevalence@discuss.online ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• Dkarma@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Also because Taiwan has basically slave labor like China. Also things cost more here cuz our workers have benefits and things like rights.

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  • K1nsey6@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    1950 wants its tired anti china tropes back

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    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Noting that China has been almost universally hated for 75 years is actually the most anti-China post today, good job.

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  • Eheran@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What benefits and rights are that supposed to be?

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  • lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You’re getting downvoted, but I work in the industry (GF, Intel, TI) and have heard horror stories from people who have worked on TSMC and even Samsung sites.

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  • FreakinSteve@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What rights are these of which you speak?

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    • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Those with which you don’t have record suicide rates at workplace, probably, with workers jump out of windows, the solution to which was to put grids like in prison. Talking of Foxconn.

      I get it, people have it hard everywhere, but some have it harder, and between American and Chinese workers the relation is clear.

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      • CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        But America has a higher suicide raterate?

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      • FreakinSteve@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        The difference is that Americans want rights destroyed.

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  • PanArab@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    “Right to work”

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  • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    There’s a big cultural difference. Taiwanese workers, like Chinese, Korean, and Japanese workers as well, have a much higher tolerance for long work hours and less pay.

    All of these East Asian cultures have long-standing social norms against complaining and refusing to work hard. It’s a collectivist culture of work that puts the success of the company ahead of the individual’s interests. In return, companies tend to be loyal to workers so it’s very common to stay at one company for your whole career.

    We westerners used to have similar values back in the 1950s and earlier. That all changed during the counterculture.

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    • TheBeege@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I live in Korea. How do you define “loyal to workers?”

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  • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    You are correct, but people always want to believe their enemy’s enemy is their friend, and if their enemy is ideological, then that enemy’s enemy must be their ideological friend, and same with morality. That’s never so.

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• rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Yes, and with all that combined twice as expensive and twice longer is kinda fine. Provided it will function.

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