There’s a ton of branded tanky stuff over there. Somehow they still blew Russia as worth supporting due to the former “communist” status of the USSR. We’re talking about the same people who support China for being Communist when it’s a neo fascist capitalist economy though. So who knows what kind of twisted logic flys with them.
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LeateWonceslace@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I want to defederate from them. The overwhelming majority of interactions I’ve had with Hexbear users has been profoundly negative, and the user base’s politics are, by-and-large chauvinistic and otherwise usually abhorrent. Weird shit like claiming that even trans-friendly spaces on most of lemmy are less trans-friendly than Hexbear.net. Furthermore, every comment out of the website I’ve seen on The War in Ukraine has been Russia-Sympathetic, which suggests that there’s a strong pro-Russia sentiment running through the user base. I don’t want anything to do with them.
Astroturfed@lemmy.world 1 year ago
spiderplant@lemm.ee 1 year ago
50% of their mod team is trans and they are one of the few instances with pronouns built in to it. They have a good argument that of the biggest instances they are the most trans friendly. Can’t speak for smaller instances or individual communities though.
I’ve mostly seen anti war takes from them which IMO is much better than all the pro war news and views in the lib instances. Most leftists are anti Russia since its a capitilaist, imerialist, oligarchal shit hole, but they also are anti US and NATO for similar reasons.
blackn1ght@feddit.uk 1 year ago
They’re highly critical of Ukraine and keep blaming them for the bloodshed. They’ll say Ukraine needs to surrender to stop needless deaths, but either they’re completely naïve and think Russia would instantly stop fighting forever, or they’re quite happy for Ukraine and it’s culture to cease to exist. They’ll never directly come out and say they support Russia, but their criticisms against either countries are one sided against Ukraine, and it’s extremely rare they’ll say anything about Russia.
I’ve not seen any “pro war news”. I see news on the war, but I doubt there’s many people who want the war. People just want Russia to leave Ukraine more than anything.
As I mentioned above, it’s not balanced at all. You don’t see the same (if any at all) anger towards Russia as you do the US, Ukraine etc.
I’m not really for them to be defederated though, but I think it’s important to at least discuss it like OP has here, as it brings up behaviours that get brought to attention to their mods and highlights that many people feel that their behaviour can be seen as damaging to the wider Lemmy community.
MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Both sides in a war are responsible for bloodshed, but if there is a dominant view on Hexbear it’s that the biggest responsibility for the conflict lies with the US who created the modern Russian state, strung it along, then encircled it and escalated against all advice, backed the 2014 coup and the far right militias that carried out an 8 year civil war, continue fuelling the war for profit, and have sabotaged any attempt at peace talks. There are plenty of posts and even an official statement making this clear.
blackn1ght@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Well yeah, unfortunately when you’re in a war then bloodshed is unavoidable. But it’s not like they invited Russia to invade.
I think their ideology is blinding them into creating such a narrative. Not saying the US doesn’t meddle in other countries but this is really far fetched and just assumes that Russia is blameless and just happens to doing exactly as what the US wants. I don’t think it’s that unrealistic that this is purely Putin on an imperialist conquest attempting to cement himself in history as a great Russian leader. Not everything is about the US. Sometimes other countries have their own agendas.
Not 100% sure what this means but I’m guessing it’s in regards to NATO? I don’t think the ex-soviet states needed any US meddling to convince them to join.
spiderplant@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The narrative is never as black and white as either US or Russian sources would have you believe.
The Ukraine is publicly against any peace talks and the US arms industry is making bank off the war so the US puts very little pressure on the Ukraine to sue for peace.
Russia claims that the US blocked early peace talks. Not sure if Russia would have gone to them in too faith but I guess we’ll never know.
Any articles dehumanising Russians such as calling them orcs(this was everywhere) helps justify the continuation of the war. Any articles not calling for an immediate end to the war on humanitarian grounds should be considered propaganda for either side.
I’d argue MSM is not balanced either in the opposite direction. Countering the current narrative on anti war grounds or being anti US/NATO can be easily misunderstood as being pro Russia.
Obviously I’m not saying pro Russia accounts don’t exist on hexbear but I don’t think its as big a thing as you think.
On the trans thing, yeah it would be nice if they could exist everywhere without issues but I’ve seen plenty of transphobia coming from different instances including our own. Having a mod team that understands their struggle and protects them is worth a lot.
s0ykaf@hexbear.net 1 year ago
of course you don’t see it
in my country alone america has 1) supported a military coup in the 60s, 2) fucked us over their loans in the 70s, causing hyperinflation that lasted into the 90s, 3) fucked us over through the IMF from the 90s to early 00s and 4) supported (as we now know) a soft coup in 2016 that ended up resulting in lula’s arrest and bolsonaro winning the election
meanwhile russia has… existed in eurasia and helped us create BRICS??
why would i hate russia more than america and its satellite states? even if putin is an asshole, an anticommunist piece of shit who was part of the group that destroyed the USSR, he just hasn’t done to us what american presidents have.
and hexbear users in general, since they really are leftists (as in, anticapitalists of various flavors) are very much aware of what america and their puppets do with us in the 3rd world, while russia doesn’t really screw us over much at all and in fact tends to play an opposite geopolitical role. so why is it so surprising that the animosity towards the US is way more noticeable?
N0_Varak@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I don’t see what being trans has to do with their shitty takes and general tankie-ness
GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Other user called them “chauvinist”, which gets used as basically another word for “reactionary”