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cm0002@lemmy.world 1 week agoNone of them are communists, they’re Tankies, tankies = authoritarians
Comment on hexbear.net comically loses its domain name
cm0002@lemmy.world 1 week agoNone of them are communists, they’re Tankies, tankies = authoritarians
VinesNFluff@pawb.social 1 week ago
I think saying Tankies aren’t Communists is a bit like saying Sword Art Online isn’t an anime.
Just because they suck doesn’t remove them from the category. In fact acknowledging the sucky parts of a <thing> is part of being grown up about that thing.
Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Communism is stateless and classless. How are STATES with authoritarian unanswerable leaders/classes in any way communist?
kuato@lemmy.world 1 week ago
On the unlikely chance that the question isn’t rhetodical, I’d suggest Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts and Reds.
Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 week ago
It’s not rhetorical. ML, Leninism is called that because it literally isn’t communism. Otherwise they’d just call it communism. It’s a cunning master plan to build an economy capable of somehow transitioning to communism. How? Good question. Even the ideologies creators didn’t really explain it properly. It literally fits the 3 step meme.
Step 1: slaughter everyone that disagrees with you.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: communism!
My criticism of Leninism isn’t defense of anyone. As an anarchist I’m anti-authoritarian whether they’re liberal/leninist/maoist. You’re all a danger to yourselves and everyone else. Regardless of how much everyone despising each other or constant whataboutism. Under capitalism oligarchs buy our representation. Turn them against us. Putting the boot at our necks. Under leninism. The Vanguard party consolidates power. Killing or imprisoning anyone who is a threat no matter how small. And rewarding friends and family with wealth and power. All the while the boot at the throat of the proletariat they’re supposed to be serving. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. They all need to be torn down.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 week ago
TBF there are different types of communism. Marxist, Leninist, State, Libertarian, etc… I don’t know enough about how they all decided to become all these sub-genres, but my basic take is that there’s communism, the kind where workers have the power and the distribution of goods and wealth is shared among society; and then there’s the communism that we all know, the authoritarian regime that controls the classes and distribution of goods and wealth.
Personally I think the latter shouldn’t be called communism at all, it’s a completely different animal than the original idea, but IMO conservative politics have so thoroughly conflated tyrannical state control with communism, along with Stalin’s\Lenin’s authoritarian brutality claiming to be communism, that the two will never be separated.
Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Yes there are. Specifically I would be a libertarian-congress or an anarco-communist.
However. Regardless of propaganda. One cannot be authoritarian. Or for a strong centralization of authority and State power. And actually be communist. They are conflicting goals. The workers cannot in any meaningful sense control the means of production. When they are oppressed by a dictatorial Vanguard. That imprisons/beats/slaughters any dissenters. The Vanguard owns the means of production in that scenario. They will still tell you that they are you. Even as they strangle and stomp on you. However it’s just a sick joke.
Conversely, actual libertarianism. Left libertarianism. Especially the kind advocated for by the originator of libertarianism Dejacque, as well as anarchism. Are in near complete and total harmony with communism. The only rub being how absolute the call from Mutual Aid is and how voluntary it is. Both ideologies being heavily predicated on consent and freedom.
btaf45@lemmy.world 1 week ago
This is propaganda comparable to the GOP wanting “smaller government” rather than authoritarian Fascism.
Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Well then please go edit wikipedia. As well as most political science and philosophy books. Because that’s literally how it’s defined. Actually they commonly go further classless stateless moneyless. But I digress. I’m not the one pushing GOP or FSB propaganda here.
cm0002@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Well they’re more like Authoritarian “Communists”, the theory of communism doesn’t require human rights violations and restrictions of freedoms.
But the only examples of communism in practice, and the only ones they praise and defend fervently, are places with authoritarian regimes like China.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
shortrounddev@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Communism is a political ideology predicated on murdering a group of political enemies in the name of a pseudoscientific economic theory which is given the same reverence that Catholics do to church dogma. Communism is, and always has been, a cult.
VinesNFluff@pawb.social 1 week ago
Ok neolib .
Belgdore@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Whoever told you that had an agenda.
First, communism is an economic theory. A very stripped down version of the theory is this: It proposes that the rich have obtained their wealth through the exploitation of workers. They justify the exploitation by “owning” the raw materials, tools, factories, land, and other apparatuses that the workers need to produce things. But without workers those things could not be converted or used to convert raw materials into goods. The theory suggests that the workers should own those things instead of the rich people. The idea is that the workers would then share amongst each other because, being of the same class, they are naturally more likely to care about the needs of the others in that class. Whatever your opinion or critique of this general idea, it is an idea not a cult.
Like all theories that have some level of popularity it has a lot of variations and sub theories. Some are more idealistic than others. These factions have a lot of history with one another a review of the Russian revolution and lead up show the kind of factionalism that exists with the movement. If you study revolutions you know that this is common.
Second, people have used virtually any ideal to justify atrocities. We should not throw out an idea only because someone somewhere used it to justify violence.
Third dogma is a problem. It is used in communist communities in the same way that it is used in the Catholic Church, to try and prevent descension. As noted above communist movements tend to have a lot of factions but the one that gains the most traction always tries to force the others into line. This is common wherever there are new ideas being implemented as policy.
This is likely why people think communism is intent on murdering its enemies. However, every revolution, Russian, French, Haitian, United States, etc. used violence and murder to achieve its goal.
Communists also say that capitalism murders people every day, and they die with a smile on their face. A pittance of a paycheck goes in their widow’s purse while they have died without realizing that they were exploited to death.
shortrounddev@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Whats wrong with SAO
Smokeydope@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Its generic slop by anime standards. Like yeah anime is meant for teenagers and young adults so you can’t be too critical over fanservice or flat YA novel Gary sue tier character writing or forgetting to write an actually compelling reason for the villian trapping them in the digital world by he time its over.
Anime in general is not meant to be high art but SAO goes the extra mile to be uninteresting bland slop that appeals to the lowest common denominator. The isekai genre has done a lot better over the decade since SAO initially released things like rezero blow it out if the water in terms of actually interesting plot and suspense.
Krompus@lemmy.world 1 week ago
💀
VinesNFluff@pawb.social 1 week ago
Trash.