Why would you wash them?
Comment on eggs in japan
wetsoggybread@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I forgot that the us is one of the few countries that washes the eggs and as a result they have to be refridgerated, its weirs for me to just see them out on the floor at room temperature
Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
Sunsofold@lemmings.world 2 days ago
They often end up with bits of stuff stuck to them while they’re wet, like feathers, bedding, etc. Poop isn’t uncommon either. The same people who won’t buy salmon unless it has that freshly dyed pink color, and won’t buy potatoes if they aren’t universally convex, balk at the bits that remind them they come from a real place and aren’t just summoned into existence for their sake. Washing the eggs takes off the bits but also the ‘bloom’ which is the natural barrier to bacteria and the like. Hence, refrigeration.
tja@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Because the conditions that the chickens are raised in promote growth of salmonella to such a degree that they need to chlorinate the outside and scrub & wash away the cuticle. The production model for chickens is so harsh that they can’t keep themselves clean or care for themselves. And the chemical companies profit off the model so there is no incentive to make chickens happier or healthier.
abbadon420@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Because it came out of a chicken’s but. Don’t you wash your turds before you eat them?
WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
This is one of those neat factoids that isn’t entirely true.
Japan does wash and refrigerate its eggs, just not all eggs and brands and groceries (it’s not a law).
Refrigerate and unrefrigerated eggs side-by-side Image
Refrigerated eggs Image
Most of the low salmonella incident rate comes from a higher inspection rate of egg producers and, here’s the fun one, a higher rate of raw egg ingestion, leading to faster report and response times for when there is contamination.
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 2 days ago
It blew my mind visiting Europe and finding eggs in a supermarket that weren’t in the fridge
8000gnat@reddthat.com 1 day ago
came here to ask about this
Eiri@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
I was convinced Japan also washed their eggs. I’m confused.
Also I’m curious about why Americans are really squeamish about people eating any egg products that haven’t been fully sterilized by cooking, while others generally aren’t scared of it, even if they’re in a country that washes eggs just like the US.
In the US, people don’t even taste their cake batter to check the amount of sugar before cooking it; in Canada, a summer isn’t whole until you’ve made strawberry mousse (ingredients: strawberry, egg whites, sugar; eaten raw). Perplexing. Is it riskier in the US, or is the risk equally low everywhere but Americans are really paranoid?
AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 2 days ago
It’s just two different strategies for avoiding salmonella. The US method has worked very well for a very long time. So much so that other countries did adopt it, at least for a time, but it requires an infrastructure that can keep the eggs refrigerated through from processing to consumer, which isn’t trivial.
skeezix@lemmy.world 1 day ago
When they wash the eggs they strip off the protective barrier that keeps pathogens out. Thats why they need to refrigerate them. If your hens are living and laying in fetid squalor then this must be done.
AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The protective barrier is true, but you’re either making assumptions about the rest or you’ve been misinformed. There really aren’t major issues in any of the developed countries today, but the washing and refrigeration is still the safest with the longest shelf life. It isn’t the condition the chickens are kept in - there are countries where it’s much, much worse than in the US - it’s just that chickens very easily carry salmonella.
Many years ago, more countries washed, but there were some escapes, especially one from Australia with the eggs exported to the UK, and it got a bad name, so some countries dropped it, but the US figured out how to make it work consistently. Most countries require chickens to be vaccinated, but the US hasn’t needed to because of the washing and refrigeration.
Lots of good info online. Here’s a USDA article on it, and here’s a higher level NPR piece.
kungen@feddit.nu 1 day ago
The USDA’s website says that eggs are “washed and refrigerated in Canada, Japan, and Scandinavia”, but that’s a lie regarding Scandinavia in any case (I’m an egg enthusiast btw)… so I wouldn’t be surprised they’re lying about Japan as well.
Eiri@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Btw I took a look at your comment and if it helps, washed eggs are good basically forever too. I never throw them away. I’ve eaten eggs that had been expired for 6 months, and while they were a little dried up (kinda dense; the white had shrunk), they were otherwise totally fine.
You know how they say you know there’s a methane or propane leak because of the smell of rotten eggs… I’ve never smelled rotten eggs. Only propane. Eggs refuse to rot.
kungen@feddit.nu 1 day ago
That probably wouldn’t pass the float test though, right? I wouldn’t risk it after that long, but I’m glad you didn’t get sick.
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 2 days ago
As a Canadian I’ve never had mousse. Only raw egg consumed is in raw cookie dough and that is a calculated risk.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s not the eggs that you should worry about, salmonella is largely controlled by the egg processing company. The wheat used to make flour can be contaminated by rat feces, which is then ground into the batch.
If you want to eliminate the risk, and still eat the raw cookie dough, you can brown flour in the oven before making the cookie dough. It won’t work well if you try to bake it, but if you want to use raw cookie dough (like, in a batch of ice cream) but don’t want to contract e.Coli then brown flour is the way to go.
I mean, I still taste the raw cookie dough before I bake… but just in case someone needed to know, there’s a safe way to do it.
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 1 day ago
Eh that’s a lot of effort. I’ll stick to the calculated risk with the once a decade or so I’ll around cookie dough
Eiri@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
You’re missing something!
Battle_Masker@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Americans are really, REALLY paranoid
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 days ago
About all the wrong things
riquisimo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
My eggs better not be dirty! My eggs are too expensive! I need to buy GUNS! …He may be a felon but at least he’s not a brown woman.
droans@midwest.social 1 day ago
No - the US and Europe developed two different methods for handling salmonella.
Starting in the 1970s, the US chose to wash the eggs. The upside is that it eliminates virtually all risk. The downside is that it requires refrigeration throughout the entire supply line, but since they are refrigerated, US eggs last a lot longer; unrefrigerated eggs last about three weeks while refrigerated eggs last about 50 days.
Large portions of Europe didn’t have the infrastructure to support this so the regulators instead chose to vaccinate the chickens. The upside is that no extra steps are required and no extra equipment like refrigerated trucks. The downside is that they don’t last as long.
Both methods work about equally well and are both considered acceptable.
npr.org/…/why-the-u-s-chills-its-eggs-and-most-of…
…ars.usda.gov/…/how-we-store-our-eggs-and-why
teamevil@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Who in America doesn’t eat cake batter‽ I always heard not to but never got sick so I never listened. Also our fat asses love raw cookie dough.
usrtrv@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Japan also washes them. Just not all.
socsa@piefed.social 2 days ago
IDK where in the US you are but I don't know anyone who is squeamish about raw egg.
You are actually significantly more likely to get cross contamination from an unwashed shell than from a properly stored washed egg.
Eiri@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
I’m not American, but in a lot of American cooking videos I watch, the host will go like “NEVER eat raw egg” or “I’m tasting a small amount here but it’s a calculated risk I’m taking and you may not want to”.
TheLadyAugust@lemmy.world 2 days ago
US here, I grew up in a township, part rural part suburban, on a farm and this was not a concern for most people out there but all my friends and their families from the suburban side were squeamish. I think it comes down to repeated misinformation reinforcing a fear.
Montagge@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
It’s not misinformation. You shouldn’t really eat raw eggs from a commercial setting in the US. Tge chickens are kept in depolarble conditions that encourage disease and bactetia. Eggs from a small farm may as well be from a whole different world.
TheLadyAugust@lemmy.world 1 day ago
What I’m trying to say is that I think those people I grew up with maybe had a misconception that the risk was much higher than it actually was. We maybe should normalize pet chickens for small properties. Daily fresh eggs are so good and chickens are adorably goofy animals.