Is your plan to let them be miserable and die from suicide shortly afterward?
Claiming that this is about some sort of diversity is pretty fucked. You got to talk to some trans folks one day.
Comment on Puberty Blockers Temporarily Slow Bone Growth, Recovery Seen With Hormone Therap
lemmysmash@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
I still can’t comprehend how a person could willingly take their (or their kids’!) overall healthy body, break it literally to the bones, and then keep patching it to restore some of its normal functioning. I’m all in for gender diversity, but this is just beyond fucked, sorry.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
TRAHR@quokk.au 3 weeks ago Oh shut up.
lemmysmash@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Why would I? I’m free to express my opinion on things as long as I’m not harassing anyone (which I’m not). You disagree and don’t want to see it? Block button to the rescue.
rowinxavier@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
To be clear, people do this all the time with medications for suicidal ideation and depression. Those drugs are less effective at preventing suicide than gender affirming care in trans people. If we want to talk about the harms of a medical intervention we always need to keep the harms of the alternative in mind.
I take Warfarin and could therefore have a major bleed where I just don’t stop bleeding. I take it because if I didn’t I would have clotting which would lead to really bad outcomes like a stroke. The stroke is more likely without warfarin than the bleed is with the warfarin, so that is an overall lower risk.
In the same way, if you look at trans kids who are hitting puberty they have two paths, gender affirming care or not. The not path has lots of extra harms, including but not limited to suicide, self harm, depression, anxiety, and so on. The gender affirming care side has bone density issues during the period of puberty blockers, difficulties with accessing medical care, and much much lower rates of the harms available in the not path. The balance is clear, the experts agree, only a vanishingly small minority of politically and financially motivated people push the other way. The parallels to the climate change “debate” are clear. This is not reasonable and rational disagreement, this is ideological and not science based.
I will keep taking my warfarin and I hope the kids impacted by this keep taking their puberty blockers as long as that is beneficial for them.
apotheotic@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago Their body is not overall healthy. If they are transgender it is incredibly likely that they are suffering from gender dysphoria, which is a debilitating and usually fatal condition if left untreated. Hormone replacement therapy is the treatment.
rimu@piefed.social@piefed.social 3 weeks ago can’t comprehend how
A lot of people choose not to comment when they don’t understand what’s going on. Or if they comment, they ask questions.
There’s good reasons for that.
astropenguin5@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You are vastly overrating the effects here.
Do you understand how detrimental gender dysphoria is to one’s mental health? It generally causes pretty bad depression and often suicidality if not able to be improved, and especially in those forced to be closeted. Going through the wrong puberty makes this even worse, so being able to delay that to allow a child to more fully form their sense of self is valuable.
If I ever have a kid (if I have kids) going through that I would much rather take the slight risk of delayed bone growth to let them make the best informed decision they can about their gender, and so they aren’t depressed for years and potentially kill themselves. Bone strength problems are also usually treatable with other things too.
lemmysmash@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
So the plan is:
Yeah, this makes perfect sense.
Where are your first, 3rd and 4th point coming from? You don’t delay depression. You try to give them time to figure which the right puberty for them is to avoid depression of going through the wrong one. You don’t give puberty blockers to then let them go through their chromosomal puberty anyways.
lemmysmash@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Yes, but then you go through the depression of fucked up hormonal system, fucked up bones (as we see now), and fucked up shitton of other organs.
ShrimpCurler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Looks like you have no idea what gender dysphoria is or what the current science says about handling it.
lemmysmash@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Science was once using this:
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Look: instantaneous cure! For sale by all druggists!
You obviously can do whatever the fuck you want with your body. But the OPs article proves once again that one must think with their own head before pumping their body with “the current thing”.
lemmysmash@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
It’s always easy to “fix” something you’re struggling with at the expense of something that’s pretty good. But it always bites you back. Always.
It’s not easy (not easy at all!) to stop, and start working on the main thing, but that’s the only way to deal with it — otherwise you fuck both things beyond repair.
And I’m not talking just identity and puberty, I’m talking all kinds of mental problems, relationship problems, family problems etc being solved at the expense of physical health (and for some people the other way around — physical problems being solved at the expense of mental health).
There resiliency margin of your “good” part is not that huge, and once it’s exhausted (and be sure the life will exhaust it even without your “help"), they both start hammering you.