Comment on The guardian on Joe Rogan's popularity in Aus, and some peoples' reasons for listening.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 5 days ago
Do you actually feel attacked? I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone criticised for like being strong and capable
I don’t get it, where is the link between being attacked and being strong and capable?
naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
If you ask most people who allegedly want to brow beat men what “good masculinity” is you would probably get stuff like:
This guy is claiming men are attacked for wanting to be strong, loving, a good father, and ‘something of a warrior’
Idk what the last means but I basically only see men attacked for
Which uh, notably aren’t in his list of reason men are attacked. So I want to ask what men’s opinions are.
galoisghost@aussie.zone 5 days ago
My opinion is that men who think men are being attacked for their masculinity are misogynists who think that because they speak nicely to their wife/mother/daughter they are nice guys and all the toxic stuff the tolerate and/or do is just boys being boys.
NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 5 days ago
The impression that I’m getting is that some people are angry at not being praised, having people say mean things sometimes, or at the possibility of being passed over because of what rather than who they are.
Which I get it, that shit sucks. But like women are dealing with that too. Idk if men experience like getting catcalled and being like “shit, am I in danger now?”. Do guys feel like you need another man to walk with you home from a train station at night?
It just seems a bit to me like there’s not much empathy here from the blokes complaining. Yes we should all be kinder to each other, and being looked over is awful. On the latter women are looked over all the time and surely broadly making opportunity 50:50 (realistically because women live slightly longer a true unbiased society would see a very slight majority women in major positions). Like look at Parliament and tell me women aren’t held back from power.
And with mean stuff being said like yes that is rude but again women also deal with that and worse. It doesn’t seem like a reason to hold a grudge, it seems like a reason to band together to equalise everything so the fear and suspicion can stop.
DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 5 days ago
I think many are quick to colour all men with the same brush when any man does something bad (murder, domestic violence, etc). This ignores the fact that most men aren’t doing this and are helpless to stop it. It’s not like we’re choosing to let domestic violence to continue. We’re just as powerless as anyone else.
And there’s a real focus on the worst of men’s behaviour, without any appreciation of the good things men do, to balance it out.
All men are flawed, just like all women are flawed (except my Mrs). We’re all a mix of good and bad, trying to do our best.
naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
I think this is really interesting, who do you think can?
It’s also true that male loneliness is pretty significant, and lonely guys are more prone to developing extreme and hateful views but the only people that can do anything about man to man friendships are other men.
There are some fantastic initiatives like lens sheds that are trying to knit a healthy social structure and almost nobody participates in them.
DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 4 days ago
Men don’t have to have male friends to not be lonely. Any friends will do. I have lots of great female friends.
As far as solving domestic violence, I don’t know how to do that. But I think we can all agree that we want it to end. Probably even the perpetrators of DV want it to end.
Maybe a big part of it is finding those who are most likely to be perpetrators and try to understand them better. And help them better understand themselves.
vividspecter@lemm.ee 4 days ago
This line really stood out to me. Have they met anyone on the left in their lives?
It’s like they have some imaginary idea of what a left-winger looks and acts like in their minds.
naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days ago
The left doesn’t want you to know this but 100% of leftist women are dommes
goodthanks@lemmy.world 5 days ago
When I see people trying to define positive masculinity, they list traits that are actually good traits I look for in female partners, or male friends. This leads me to believe that the complaints about emasculation are confused ones. I know my mostly absent father complained to my mum about emasculation once. Well, step up and be strong and responsible like most single mothers have to do. Too many guys expect to be respected just for being male. Prove it. Be a good person, male or female.
Didros@beehaw.org 5 days ago
I think there is also a legitimate response here to the general acceptance of “all men should just die” rhetoric that was popular for a while there (and still is in some circles).
When I was young I told a girlfriend that I wanted to get into politics to help people. She responded, “but you are a white man, you can’t help anyone” or something of the like. Really sticks with you.
naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
That’s a silly thing to say but it also sounds like it came from the mouth of a teenager? Teenagers say lots of dumb stuff I wouldn’t recommend forming societal views based on them.
Most women have had the experience of being humiliated sexually, and belittled intellectually by young men. Do you feel that women should feel like we’re under attack?
Didros@beehaw.org 4 days ago
I can’t say you should feel anything, simply that I’ve felt as though society doesn’t want my help due to my gender. Therefore, could extrapolate that into a reason other men might feel that way.
I don’t understand people generally, but I do my best to give people the benefit of the doubt.
MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 5 days ago
There’s a ton of casual misandry in American media and some are more sensitive to it than others.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 5 days ago
Hmm maybe this might help (it came out 3 days before the election) www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSw04BwQy4M
naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
Could you just summarise it because a video is sort of an inaccessible format for public text discussion?
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 5 days ago
The video discusses the growing political divide, particularly focusing on how men, especially young men, are shifting towards the right politically.
The narrator critiques the Democratic Party’s efforts to appeal to this demographic, highlighting various missteps and tone-deaf attempts at outreach. Here are the key points:
Gender Divide: The video starts by noting the increasing toxicity in gender discourse, with examples of anti-male sentiments from media and social media.
Political Shift: There’s a discussion on how young men are moving towards the Republican Party, while young women are leaning more towards the Democrats. This shift is particularly notable in recent election data.
Democratic Party’s Struggles: The narrator criticizes the Democratic Party’s last-minute efforts to win over young male voters, such as creating spaces for white men and using Tim Walz as a “secret weapon” to appeal to male voters. These efforts are seen as superficial and ineffective.
Social Media Reactions: The video includes reactions from social media, highlighting the divisive and often dismissive attitudes towards men’s concerns. Some tweets suggest that men need to “be better” or are inherently problematic.
Critique of Pandering: The narrator mocks the Democratic Party’s attempts to pander to men, such as ads featuring Tim Walz doing stereotypically masculine activities. These efforts are seen as insincere and condescending.
Bernie Sanders: The video mentions Bernie Sanders as an example of a candidate who successfully spoke to the demographic the Democrats are now struggling to reach. His focus on working-class issues is highlighted as naturally attractive to men.
Call for Change: The narrator expresses frustration with the Democratic Party’s messaging and calls for a more inclusive and effective approach to win back young men. The video ends with a plea for the party to evaluate what they’re doing wrong and make changes for the betterment of society.
Overall, the video is a critique of the Democratic Party’s strategies and a call for more genuine and effective outreach to young male voters.
This is the influence we get from America flooding in
Basically left wing progressives are inherently anti-male and anti-white male and social media helps amplify and push these beliefs far and wide because left wing progressives and women love supplying them with content
Racists Take a DNA Test www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HlGhVgV3Yw
“MEN ARE USELESS!” - After Dark Edit www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI1wptoSLaM
5.5 million views jesus
and I had these videos endlessly appear on my youtube homepage for ages because I watched MMA
Combine that with a lot of guys not doing great in life and then they get to see plenty of women being given a hand (admittedly this was a 30 second search, I don’t even want to imagine how far and wide these programs and monetary advantages are being given to women extend to):
www.vic.gov.au/womens-board-leadership-program
So when already make up a majority of board positions and they still get given more advantages regardless:
And yeah, you’re going to breed resentment when men apply and get denied and then look up why
I gotta stop procrastinating on me studies so yeah not gonna engage on this one anymore
Zagorath@aussie.zone 5 days ago
Without having clicked the link, I assumed the US election last year.