Lemmy.world has become a pro-censorship toxic shithole lately. Sooo glad I was made to find other instances.
Beauty of the fediverse… If one place sucks, just find a different one 😊
Comment on [sh.it.post] We're #5! We're #5!
OpenStars@discuss.online 1 day ago
Personally I would go with Monthly Active Users, e.g. since Hexbear has managed to run off a good fraction of its users over time (which lemmy.world is in the process of doing as well).
This puts sh.itjust.works as #4, which it’s been for a good long while, above Lemmy.ml and Hexbear and nearly all other instances.
Link, but the URL does not preserve the options shown, so you have to resort by Monthly Active Users.
UniversalMonk@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
OpenStars@discuss.online 2 hours ago
Yeah… I’m actually okay with censorship so long as it is clearly explained in advance and fairly applied - then again, I don’t necessarily want to join it either, just saying that I’m okay that it exists… over there somewhere (away from me:-).
Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Man, I just wanted to chant “We’re #5”, now I have people coming at me with facts. :p
(Jokes aside, I appreciate it. There’s nuance to these metrics and what best accounts for ‘size’, particularly for those cases/services where the metrics reflect a little bugginess anyway)
verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I think when we yell “five”, there should be a spirited booty shake.
ace_of_based@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
🎶🎤🎶Errybody get yer shit onna dancefloor! Now work it. Just work it. Errybody getcher shit n work it🎶
verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
🎤Wanna drive a lamborghini? Drink martinis? You betta work bitch🎤
Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
See, everyone is coming in and talking about different means of measuring instances, the implications for the fediverse and the position of federated services against corporate monoliths like reddit.
But you, verity - you get it.
verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
It’s the Non-Credible Defense in me.
OpenStars@discuss.online 1 day ago
Well, now you are on a firm basis to chant being #4!? 😜
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
dang I did not expect .ee to be on top behind .nsfw
OpenStars@discuss.online 1 day ago
At a guess, bc it doesn’t have that many communities on it?
Efforts are underway to change that but yeah it definitely lacks the same punch as others - like sh.itjust.works has 5 communities that are each larger, some by almost 3 times, than the absolute largest one on lemm.ee.
That instance seems not so much a “source” of content across the Fediverse as a “destination” for posts made to communities elsewhere.
Then again, very little else compares to Lemmy.World in that regard - it has another 10 communities each larger, some twice as large, as sh.itjust.works does. It would be healthier for the network effects to split that up a bit more… but fortunately their upgrade process over the next few months should help a little.
Revan343@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
sh.itjust.works is at #4 by total posts as well, since hexbear was counted twice in the OP.
It’s both amusing and unsurprising that lemmynsfw is second though
OpenStars@discuss.online 1 day ago
Wouldn’t total posts bias towards older instances though, counting posts over time rather than activity today? So then good point that sh.itjust.works is so high up by both metrics:-).
While lemmy.ml continues to fall - by active users I think I recall it was #3 at some point, then #4, while now it’s #5, where based on the gap below it, it seems likely to remain since users are now more distributed than previously (which is a good thing!:-).
Revan343@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Oh yeah, monthly active users is definitely the better metric, I just wanted to point out that in this case, it falls in the same place either way.
I wonder what the best metric would be for measuring how distributed Lemmy is. Maybe the ratio between total active monthly users vs the top 5 or 10 instances?
OpenStars@discuss.online 1 day ago
People used to say how Lemmy.World had ~80% of all users on the Fediverse. I’m not sure if that was older defunct accounts or what. But it does illustrate one thing: does it even matter where user accounts are located, when the federation model means that someone can access the entire thing, minus only whatever someone’s instance has chosen to defederate from?
On Mastodon that matters greatly, due to the discoverability aspect, but here on the Threadiverse (or whatever we want to call ourselves to distinguish the forum vs. microblogging nature of our spaces, accessible via Lemmy, some app, Mbin, Friendica, PieFed, Tesseract, perhaps Sublinks one day, etc.)? On that note, my instances (Kbin.social, then StarTrek.Website, Discuss.Online, and now a mix between that and PieFed.social) have mostly been extremely tiny, but I never felt like I was excluded, being able to browse by All.
In fact quite the opposite! Having wandered into Chapotraphouse@hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml and thereby exposing myself to their echo chambers, right inside the very ones hosted on their own instances but due to federation, hosted likewise on my instance as well, I strongly wished that the Fediverse would have been a little less connected - or at least if it has offered me some warning! (The sidebar text is only shown on a “community” page, not an individual post when arrived at via browsing All.)
And then there’s communities to consider - so many are on Lemmy.World, but how much should that matter, vs. the users? Moderation though is primarily something related to communities. So like sh.itjust.works doesn’t have all that many, there’s e.g. !whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works, and lemmy.ca also, like there’s !pcgaming@lemmy.ca and !canada@lemmy.ca, yet these general-purpose instances have so very many users, even if the communities themselves are mostly on lemmy.world.
If lemmy.world were to go down though, we’d lose a LOT, at least in the short term. Archived copies of older posts would remain cached on remote instances, but a new community would have to be created somewhere in order to allow continued posting.
So I don’t think that the Threadiverse is all that distributed - but I also don’t think that it matters for us?
samus12345@lemm.ee 11 hours ago
I’m one of them. Luigi censoring was the catalyst. I came to Lemmy to get away from corporate censorship.
OpenStars@discuss.online 11 hours ago
I’m surprised to hear about the slowness issue - I think this is the first time that I have, though I am definitely spoiled at Discuss.Online that has such a great technical admin (he also is the one who was developing Sublinks, before life and a baby intervened:-). Is lemm.ee much faster than lemmy.world for you?
Tbf there is legit fear in the USA that Trump will start to place bans or at least watchlists on social media outlets that Musk does not make money off of. Then again, I thought that LW wasn’t really associated with the USA in any way besides having a bunch of users from it, and anyway you have found a perfect solution to the problem - if they don’t want it, go somewhere else that does allow what you need.:-)
samus12345@lemm.ee 11 hours ago
Yes, MUCH. Sh.itjust.works is much faster as well. I don’t know if it’s because LW is still on 0.19.3 or what, but it’s a very significant difference.
LW isn’t associated with the US except for the fact that they’re keen to kowtow to corporate censorship to avoid being sued and the like. I don’t really blame them and it’s probably better that the largest Lemmy instance is more cautious to possibly take some of the heat off of everyone else. As you said, they didn’t serve my needs, so I went elsewhere - it’s what I love about the fediverse.
OpenStars@discuss.online 2 hours ago
If LW helped you migrate from Reddit to the Threadiverse until you knew more what you were looking for and could find a true home in lemm.ee that meets your needs better, then both of them sound awesome at their respective roles to me.:-)