Comment on Ukraine parliament bans organ harvesting from war casualties for transplantation

Forester@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• NeuronautML@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Here’s the problem when you say that in a war. You’re alive, you’re an enemy combatant and/or civilian, you are now dead and your lungs are still viable, cut the fuck out and sold to fund the war. If you were lucky, there was still anesthesia left.

  It’s a terrible proposition to even consider accepting transplants from warzones. It’s begging for warcrimes.

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  • AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You can just regulate it and make the data public. War crimes? Everyone sees it. Only people who are allowed to harvest them can do it and that also solves all the other stuff. I think thats a pretty good solution.

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    • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Tell us you know nothing about anything without telling us you know nothing about anything…

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      • Forester@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Tell me you don’t understand logistics without telling me you don’t understand logistics…

        Clearly there is potential for abuse if you’re harvesting organs on the front line. Really though, that’s more of an indication of your own moral character than societies in general though if you’re assuming that people will just execute prisoners for their organs …But if you’re only pulling them from the back line then it’s no longer an issue with proper accounting. If doctors are the ones making the decisions then it’s not an issue. Are you one of those cranks that thinks having an organ donut or card means they’ll just put you down when you roll into the hospital?

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    • NeuronautML@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Russia is currently returning Ukranian POWs with organs harvested, so they are funding the war with organs. Nobody is denying that they’re not saving lives, the problem is, can the process be verified accurately enough to prevent criminal harvesting of organs ?

      During a war, things are hectic. Hectic enough that if there are rogue members harvesting organs, claiming they’re doing on official orders, but much later are found out to be acting on their own accounts, they are not detected and acted on promptly. Even if everyone sees it, who will question it ? Even during peace times in highly regulated countries, doctors still go on for a long time doing things they’re not supposed to before being caught. By then several innocents have suffered.

      Personally I’m against this. I don’t think there are enough mechanisms to prevent abuse and the potential for harm is immense. I wouldn’t even trust a country with less corruption issues on this, and Ukraine has considerable corruption issues.

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