Comment on I never realized this

• shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Sigh. Lemmy in a nutshell.

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• lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Except that it’s older than that, even in Europe, there was quite some time between the Black Plague and capitalism. But they originate in China where they are much older. Sure, capitalism is composed of many aspects and maybe China had some aspect associated with capitalism back than as well and I’m not too sure about the connection between Europe and China regarding last names. I donno.

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  • spujb@lemmy.cafe ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In The Second Sex, De Beauvoir quotes Engels as he argues that patriarchy (as we know it today) likely arose with the advent of private property. So there is some relation to capitalism (of which private property is a core component), but it goes back way further than the Black Plague and marking it down to “trade promotion” is over-simplistic at best in that it’s wayyyy worse than that.

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    • lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What you are saying is that private property laid the basis for patriarchy and (much later) for capitalism

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      • spujb@lemmy.cafe ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That is what I am quoting De Beauvoir and Engles as saying, yes.

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• spujb@lemmy.cafe ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  that’s right, promoting your trade is capitalism folks

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