I would argue that those people you’re describing shouldn’t be in charge of computers that are accessible from the Internet.
Comment on Wubuntu: The lovechild of Windows and Linux nobody asked for
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
If you’re trying to figure out who this is for, the answer is “My clients.”
We deploy systems that have to run as servers, but need a UI because the people maintaining them are brain dead idiots. Windows Server isn’t an option because each system sells at a fairly low price point; adding on the cost of a server license would kill our margins. So we need an OS that runs like Linux, but looks like Windows.
Now you might be thinking “Just use KDE? It’s got a start menu, everything is still in basically the same places, and the only software anyone runs is a web browser.” And you would be vastly underestimating the degree to which moving any component of the UI even the slightest bit causes the average user to shit their pants in terror and freeze up like a deer in the headlights. You’ll point to the start menu and they move the mouse towards it like you just instructed them to defuse a bomb. Eyes closed, they’ll instinctively lean back from the screen in sheer terror as they click.
These Windows alikes are useless for any Linux user, but incredibly helpful for people like me who have to turn Windows users into Linux users.
AbidanYre@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
They’re not.
AbidanYre@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I guess if the servers are only internal it’s not quite as bad.
AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Ooh, I’m a brain dead idiot, are your clients hiring?
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
I feel this so much it hurts.
Some people are TERRIFIED of devices.
They look at the UI like it’s the cockpit of a fighter plane, with a thousand buttons, some of which make things explode.
Unless they know exactly what to do, they won’t even try anything.
Nevermind that UIs are usually designed to allow a user to figure them out by just prodding at everything and seeing what it does.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I remember once seeing an explanation of how us tech people magically know what to do with any program that was like “We don’t. We just look for something that seems vaguely familiar and try clicking it.” Three bars in a hamburger shape? That’s a menu. Oh, look, a cog, that always means settings, what we want is probably a setting. Etc.
Lem453@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Lemmy needs a best comment section like reddit had
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Be the change you want to see in the world:
!bestoflemmy@lemmy.world
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Oh man, I feel that pain. But here’s where I’m at: after so many decades of really trying, really trying to get them to learn what a file system is and how computers, y’know, work, I’m done.
Obviously I don’t do that work for pay, but when I did I went with the assumption that people were just ignorant, not stupid. Now I think they’re just incurious - which is a kind of stupidity. And since the vast majority of their lives are now controlled, monitored, or involve these systems they can’t be bothered to learn - yeah, sucks to be them.
rImITywR@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Just use KDE?
It is just KDE though. Its just a plasma skin. But what you get by installing Wubuntu instead of a proper distro, and then applying a skin, is supporting a developer with a history of bad security practices and poor behavior. Not to mention the potential copyright issues. This whole project will probably die when Microsoft realises that someone is using their name and trademarks to sell a competing project.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Perfectly valid. I’m not endorsing the product, just explaining the use case.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Yeah, just install Mint or something with that skin installed.
FrameXX@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Am I dumb or mint still uses Plasma 5 on xorg by default and its wayland support is mediocre.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Yeah, Plasma 6’s Wayland support is way better. I have no idea what Mint ships, I just know I’ve been on Plasma 6 for a few months and it’s great.
But most people don’t need Wayland. It’s great if you have high refresh monitors or monitors with different refresh rates, but your average person is probably running a single monitor setup.
deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de 1 year ago
While it might seem interesting for your usecase, please be careful which specific distro you use, especially when it comes to “windows-like” distros. Wubuntu (previously LinuxFX) has terrible security for your payment info, and the developers have made a ton of questionable decisions.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Good to know. As I said in another comment, I’m not endorsing the product, just explaining the use case.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 year ago
the developers have made a ton of questionable decisions.
Yeah, mimicking Windows being the first. The second is “pay $35 to ‘unlock the benefits’” is skeezy as hail.
Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If you don’t mind me asking, what sort servers/clients do you work with?
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I don’t mind you asking the question, but the answer is “No comment.”
ComradeMiao@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You can’t answer what type of server lol
einkorn@feddit.org 1 year ago
What’s so funny about that? Dude might work in a security environment ripe with NDAs.
Mac@mander.xyz 1 year ago
I love how to you everyone who is not a Linux enthusiast is a braindead idiot. Very nice. 👌