Comment on M4 Mac Mini Power Button Has New Bottom Location

• grue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  As an IT guy, if I worked with Macs this would be terrible to work with

  You know, now that you say it, I’d bet that’s exactly why they did it. They probably want to fuck over companies that would otherwise have racks of Mac Minis (for clusters, colocated servers, etc.) and force them into Mac Studios or Mac Pros instead.

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  • greybeard@lemmy.one ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nag, if you are racking computers, and they don’t have built in lights out management, you open them up and connect remote triggers to the power button leads, allowing you to remotely start them if they get shut off. I’m sure lots of companies do have Mac farms for Mac and iOS development, but I doubt Apple give a crap one way or another about them.

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• Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Well first off if you look at the picture, this is a much smaller device. If the power switch was in the same place as the larger case it would be on the side edge.

  Secondly because it’s now moved into a space where it’s lot going to be accidentally hit and requires an intentional effort to press.

  That’s great, how many IT guys have to manually go around turning off hundreds of computers at the switch instead of running some automated method across the whole network? Such a rare and unlikely situation that the average home consumer and user of a device such as this really doesn’t ever have to factor in.

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  • rtxn@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    As another IT guy at a university, having to manually turn on 30 computers in a classroom for updates or whatever is already a pain in the ass. Wake on LAN is not a reliable solution. Havin to manually flip over every box, then putting them down, and then fixing the cables that got yanked… I’d throw those fuckers in the trash.

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    • PhreakyByNature@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I have never bought an iPhone or a Mac and I agreed at first that this seems an extra step. But you surely wouldn’t have to flip it over? The device will be raised enough it appears that a finger could slide in the gap and hit that button. But maybe I don’t know shit or have slender fingers or something but feels like it could be operated without flipping.

      What am I missing?

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      • Sleepkever@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I have been using a MacBook trough work for 7 years now and I think I actually clicked shutdown once this year too keep the battery at ~80% during my 1 month holiday. Otherwise I maybe reboot it once every month or two to fix some weird homebrew upgrade issues. And that’s it. The thing is just “on” in deep sleep, forever.

        If the Mac mini’s behave similarly to the MacBooks, the standby energy usage is so low it’s probably easier to just keep it in on/standby/sleep all the time and just wake it by keyboard or mouse. And because Apple develop their own hardware, standby and sleep actually work reliably. So they probably intend for you to only use that power button for a hard reset. Even shutting it down and moving it, plugging the power back in wil probably start it up again. Just like opening the lid on my shutdown MacBook also boots it before I even touch the power button. Even a keypress or mouseclick will probably turn the damn thing on.

        Yes it’s an odd design choice, but in regular day to day use it probably won’t matter. Especially if you realise that its not a windows machine that needs to shutdown or reboot often.

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    • Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It looks like it’s raised up off the desk by the circular portion in the center. Still annoying to press but a finger probably fits under there.

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    • normanwall@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      WoL is amazing when it works

      I had to update a remote laptop where windows was EoL for patching cutoff on a weekend and I threw my arms up on the air when it reported in a few minutes later

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    • Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You’re a Windows shop? Why don’t you deploy a policy that prevents users from shutting down computers?

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      • rtxn@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Mainly because our students are idiots and will complain if the computer doesn’t turn off. Or worse, hold the power button, or actually yank the power cable. Maybe I should just lean into it and convince them that the monitor is the computer.

        Jokes aside, how could I implement such a policy? I’ve only found one that hides the power buttons from the start menu, but Windows still responds to ACPI.

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  • dan@upvote.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    it’s not going to be accidentally hit

    How many times have yoy accidentally pressed a power button on a desktop computer?

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    • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Is your power button at the back of your pc next to the usb and hdmi ports?

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      • BombOmOm@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Of course not, who would put a power button on the back or bottom of the computer? Front, side, or top are the places it goes for almost every computer out there.

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    • towerful@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      My phone case has a magnet in it (so it mildly sticks to metal surfaces).
      I’ve put it on a laptop and accidentally triggered the “lid close” sensor

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