Comment on Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers

• aidan@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You’re getting little in the way of benefit of the doubt because you’re repeatedly trying to make Russia look good and misleading about this.

  Never did either of those things.

  It’s also somewhat hard to take you seriously when in another comment you equated drinking alcohol with child rape.

  Why are you lying? I did not equate them, and you know that. I analogized. If I say a sad movie “hit me like a truck” does that mean I’m equating it, or even saying its close? No, its an analogy.

  11 maintainers from sanctioned Russian companies were removed from their position where they could submit patches without any approval required.

  My understanding is this is not true. My understanding is they are pushed to linux-next where people test and review them, and are eventually merged into the main branch after Linus reviews them, though I agree those patches are probably not reviewed as thoroughly, but there is still an approval process. My understanding is no one other than Linus can push directly to main.

  Russia could easily utilise these people to introduce insecurities. We do not need another xz utils disaster.

  Linux is not xz, each change has weeks before introduction and is much more looked at. Furthermore, the core thing, Jia Tan wasn’t a real person- these maintainers are real people. If you’re going to do a backdoor there still could be pseudonymous maintainers and contributors, those that show their face are more trust worthy. They’re at least risking losing their real names reputation.

  Stop trying to minimise what they’re doing.

  I’m not, stop insulting me. Nothing I said minimized it in any way.

  Genocide: “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”

  I think this definition is not specific enough. I would not consider ‘cultural genocide’ genocide. Genocide is the systematic slaughter of nearly everyone of a specific group with the intent to kill nearly everyone in that group. It is not the banning of a religion to destroy that religion or as China and some other countries have tried to do- encouraging or forcing reproduction with a certain ethnic group to ‘dilute the blood’. It is also not banning or repressing a language. That doesn’t mean those things aren’t ‘cultural genocide’, just that ‘cultural genocide’ and genocide are different things. To be honest, I’m not sure how to classify forced sterilization.

  Putin has been leveling entire cities.

  This itself doesn’t mean its a genocide, war crime and massacre yes of course.

  He said Ukraine isn’t a real country with a real culture.

  Yes to the first, the second though do you have a source for? (Though I would support that if he applied the same to Russian ‘culture’ but I don’t think he does sadly)

  He has been abducting children and bringing them into Russia so they grow up as Russians.

  Systemic cultural repression is bad, taking orphaned kids from their close family is bad. Adopting orphaned children itself is not itself bad, just like an American adopting a baby born in China isn’t cultural repression for them to be assimilated into American ‘culture’. I don’t know how much of it is former, and how much is the latter, but it seems like it leans towards the former rather than the latter- but there are also cases where its the latter.

  He has been altering signs, maps, etc to erase Ukrainian names.

  Okay?

  The reason I am hesitant to agree with the claim of genocide is that there are still plenty of ethnic Ukrainians living in Russian occupied territories, and they are being oppressed(even more so than others in Russian territory) but they still exist. One example, my grandma was born in Nazi occupied Czech Republic, called then on her birth certificate the “Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia”. Czechoslovak resistance assassinated the Nazi governor of the protectorate, an in revenge that Nazis killed all the adults in the town of Ležáky and in Lidice all the men and many women and children were slaughtered. This was a horrific atrocity, but I do not believe it was a genocide of Czechs because for the most part ethnic Czechs were able to live, oppressed, but still allowed to live. It would be fair to say it was a genocide of the people of Ležáky but I don’t think that counts as a “national, ethnical, racial or religious group”

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