It absolutely could, and should. I’m not saying that the crimes should be forgiven, but it is not a purely black and white area. It is very grey. To ignore the fact that they were ordinary people in extraordinary circumstances, just because it’s uncomfortable to think about, would be a disservice towards efforts to prevent things like this in the future. People are complex.
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WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 weeks agobut I stand firm in my opinion that their boots-on-the-ground infantryman are also victims of the Israeli political machine.
Sure, but couldn’t the same be said for many of the literal guards at Auschwitz? A lot of those people were just kids who were drafted and were simply following orders.
sOlitude24k@lemmy.myserv.one 3 weeks ago
4lan@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They have a choice. They could either kill innocent people or sit in a jail cell. Picking the first one makes you a sociopath.
I guarantee he would face a lot less trauma in jail, especially since he is a trained soldier.
Stop making excuses, “complexity” doesn’t justify genocide.
sOlitude24k@lemmy.myserv.one 3 weeks ago
It’s not a justification for genocide, it’s a call for empathy. Give what I wrote another read with that in mind.
As for your questions… I think our soldiers are victims. I was there, so I think I’ve got at least a somewhat informed perspective on things. It’s not something you can prepare for. In my experience, forgiveness and understanding come with time, but it will never be the majority.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
it’s a call for empathy
Empathy isn’t just about feeling sad for other people. It is about relating to them emotionally. In this case, we’re dealing with people who are professional physical, psychological, and sexual abusers. Empathizing them should mean recognizing these sociopathic traits and recoiling in horror.
If you’re feeling pity for a chronic abuser, you’re not feeling empathy. You’re being exploited. The first response to dealing with a chronic abuser is to separate yourself from them. If you’re opening yourself up to their manipulation, you’re feeding into the abuse cycle.
In my experience, forgiveness and understanding come with time
How can you even begin to talk about forgiveness as this act of abuse is still playing out before our eyes?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I guarantee he would face a lot less trauma in jail
glances at the state of Israeli prisons, complete with guards who have the designated job of raping prisoners
Maybe not a lot less.
4lan@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Would you rather be raped or slaughter children?
freddydunningkruger@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
And if the glass house you call your home exists in the united states, then your taxes financed filling the soldiers heads with the propaganda, financed sending them out on the field, made sure they had rations and ammo, and paid to put their finger on that trigger. What’s your culpability, compadre? You know when you point your finger at someone, you’ve got three more aimed straight at yourself, right?
sOlitude24k@lemmy.myserv.one 3 weeks ago
Oh, no. You misunderstood. I absolutely acknowledge that. It’s a pretty spicy issue in my area. It would pretty rad to choose where my taxes go, though. I’d much rather fund schools and national parks. I think that’s dragging things a bit off-topic, though.
Jtotheb@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The Nuremberg Trials are a great example of how you don’t hang if you provide enough value to the military-industrial complex, and a terrible example of full stop no excuses. Seems ill suited to be a foundation for a moral philosophy.