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As Edge comes pre-installed by default on Windows machines, users must navigate the Microsoft offering in order to download their browser of choice.

What’s the actual alternative they want here? That users look up download URLs on other devices and download their browser of choice via command line using ~~cURL~~ Invoke-WebRequest? That ISPs provide browser installers on USB sticks?

Also, it’s not like MS is cornering the market on browser share here. Even with this “unfair advantage” they’ve only scraped together a 5% slice of browser usage.

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WhoIsRich@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
For a while when you installed Windows, the first time user setup gave you a choice of popular browsers and it handled the download and install.

Now Microsoft is actively trying to sabotage other browsers with popups and office apps bypassing the default browser setting.

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- SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  When was that?
  
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  - nutt_goblin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    ec.europa.eu/commission/…/MEMO_09_558_EN.pdf
    
    They were forced to as the result of an antitrust settlement in 2009, and then the “remedy” expired 5 years later and they ripped it out
    
    pcworld.com/…/microsoft-kills-eu-browser-choice-s…
    
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    SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Oh man, I had no idea this was a thing!
    
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WolfLink@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
IMO edge coming pre-installed isn’t a big deal. But I’d like to be able to uninstall edge and not have Windows periodically try to trick me into setting edge as my default browser again.

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CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Basically either offer users a dialog box asking which browser they’d like to use or offer the browsers in the Microsoft Store.

And stop telling me that “The Internet is better using Edge”, Microsoft.

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Crashumbc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
I’d settle for them being force to offer links to alternatives when you first install Windows.

AND being forced to stop the bullshit every few updates where they force you through choosing options. One of which is “update to recommended browser settings for security?”… Which just defaults the system to use edge.

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- JWBananas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  
  AND being forced to stop the bullshit every few updates where they force you through choosing options
  
  Just turn it off. Settings → Notifications → Windows Welcome Experience or some such.
  
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captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Require Microsoft to distribute competing browsers in the Microsoft store.

I can install Firefox, Chromium etc. from my distro’s package manager. I don’t open a web browser to install software. You still do that on Windows because Microsoft has a financial incentive to keep competitors out of their store, so their store sucks.

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- Frodo@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  You can install Firefox from Windows’s package manager Winget with the command:
  
  Winget install -e --id Mozilla.Firefox
  
  You don’t have to use the Store or Edge.
  
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  - captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    And how many people in the world will use that? eight?
    
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    Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Exactly this. The point is not that there is no way to do it, the point is that the alternatives are obscure to limit adoption. It’s a dark pattern.
    
    This winget thing is worse than just using edge to download an alternative. The problem is not that people are forced to interact with a browser they dont like, it’s all the people who don’t know enough to understand that there are alternatives, and those people will never use winget.
    
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daddy32@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
This is an already solved problem - EU did it in the past.

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