Comment on Is Lebanon part of Israel’s promised territory?

• IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I can’t reconcile

  Israel has slowly settled additional territory

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  There is no excuse for terrorism

  The IDF is stealing land, making people homeless, burning crops, murdering Palestinians, and so on.

  What is an appropriate response in your view?

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  • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I understand the sentiment, but does that really justify killing innocent civilians at a music event?

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    • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      So what is an appropriate response?

      The IDF just murdered your family, razed your house, and torched your crops. You are now homeless and alone. What is your next course of action?

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      • jwiggler@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I’m not a “Israel deserved Oct 7th” person because I think that lends itself to the idea that the victims of the atrocities committed on Oct 7 deserved it. I don’t think they did. I do think Israel as a nation brought it upon themselves in the sense that they have been oppressing the Palestinians for however many years, and if they hadn’t been, the event wouldn’t have happened.

        Norman Finkelstein put it in a pretty interesting way – atrocities were committed on Oct 7, but he would not condemn a violent outburst by people who were born in a concentration camp. He urged leniency and grace that would normally be afforded to people who born into such conditions and who proceeded to commit unspeakable acts.

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    • masquenox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Did anyone force anyone to attend a music event within sight of the world’s largest open-air prison?

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• eacapesamsara@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  2023, in September, there was an article from AP News revealing that 2023 was the deadliest year for Palestinian children to be the last twenty years. The causes of death? The IDF. Exclusively. 10/7 happened because Israel has been causing escalating violence for the last 20 years after 60 years of mild to extreme violence.

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• corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  “pacified” isn’t “peaceful”. They control the actual water, power and access into and out of Palestine. There’s nothing above-board that isn’t within their power to cut off at a whim.

  That’s absolute power over a group they hate. You learned what absolute power does, right? You know what hate does?

  The media’s acceptance of anything bibi has done since coming into power has caused a lot of shady shit to be ignored. Really bad stuff.

  I don’t condone violence but I know I’m not the jurist to pass judgement over 10/7 or a hundred things before it. I have food, water, and a safe bed, and I have no frame of reference to understand the context under which a people treated like starving dogs for 3 generations have risen up to bite their unwanted master.

  But I can opine on a people who condemn guerilla warfare on one hand and commit actual terrorism with the other.

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• masquenox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  There is no excuse for terrorism.

  Oh, look. Liberals ignoring Israeli terrorism for the last 76 years as long as their precious “free press” can pretend it’s “relatively peaceful.”

  Hamas did nothing wrong. Period.

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• surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Ahhh, yes. So you prefer quiet suffering to loud suffering so you can more easily ignore it. Me too, bro. Me too.

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