Comment on YouTube’s anti-ad blocking test gets even pushier with a new timer

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• BettyWhiteInHD@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Especially considering YouTube has no production costs. It’s all user-generated content.

  YT may not have “production costs”, but they certainly not only have huge costs for hosting video, but they also have to pay for staff to develop and support their software, support content creators and sell ads that make their whole business model make sense. YouTube just isn’t a company that has little to no expenses and larger content creators will tell you just as much. And again, video hosting is fucking expensive at any scale and their scale is actually insane.

  I’m not defending YT Premium, I just unsubbed after they increased the price because it’s not really worth it to me at the moment, but the fact that it’s not as expensive as HBO, which by the way will undoubtedly will increase in price like everything has in part because endless VC money is drying up, is not the only factor determining how much a service costs to a consumer. I think we might have to start looking at these things a little more objectively and start weighing how much these services actually cost to run now that maybe businesses can’t just operate in the red forever while shiny teethed confident people convince others that they can and then you.

  For a lot of people that will probably come with a realization that you’re not actually willing to pay for some of these things at all.

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• dbilitated@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  the users do get paid though, although i’m sure it’s a fraction of what youtube makes.

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  • reddig33@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Hmmm. $20 a month for the big budget action of Westworld, or $20 a month for a cooking show filmed in someone’s basement. Decisions, decisions.

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    • Wolf_359@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      To be fair, YouTube has far more variety and far more content overall. Personally, I have seen pretty much anything worth watching on the major streaming services. My wife and I can pretty much just ignore any top 200 list of shows or movies because we have already seen it all and anything we haven’t seen doesn’t look interesting to us. We pretty much just have to wait for new shows to come out.

      YouTube though. It’s functionally unlimited considering the length of a human lifespan.

      For some insight, a quick Google search says that Netflix has about 4 years of content if you sat down and watched everything they have to offer. Meanwhile, YouTube has about 18,000 years of content.

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      • visualfeast@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Are they including all those 10-hour long loop videos I uploaded?

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      • NightOwl@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’ve never been one to really get into the loop of watching YouTube endlessly. It’s felt like my use has been more like a search engine.

        For me it’s not really been a great source of entertainment. At best background noise. Quantity of hours is a useless metric for me when most of it is stuff that feels like unnecessary content. I think it’s most telling that what makes YouTube watchable for me is sponsorblock with one of my most used functions skip to highlight, and blocktube to block the popular channels that dominate search results. And lately youtubetranscript to just save myself time watching and overly long 10+ minute long segment in favor of quickly skimming over the words.

        I feel the algorithm promoting long videos has ruined the quality with now more videos trying to fit that minimum length.

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    • ultimate_question@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The irony of this comment is you can find the cooking show but not Westworld on HBO lol

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    • Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Or $20 for thousands of different channels of all kinds of content.

      At least be honest about it.

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      • NightOwl@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        How much of those channels are actually quality content let alone manage to keep the attention of viewers to watch an entire video? It’s like a cable services advertising that it has thousands of channels. Videos that manage to hold my attention even for 10 minutes on YouTube has been rare, and mostly aided by 2x speeds to shorten it down by half.

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    • dbilitated@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      honestly i will watch westworld once, but i never use my netflix account but i watch stuff like physics lectures and chemistry videos all the time. i just find it fascinating, in a way scripted TV isn’t for me.

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    • regbin_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’d pay more for YouTube rather than HBO/Netflix. There’s much more content that interests me on YouTube.

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  • beckerist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • beckerist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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      • AbsolutelyNotABot@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m sorry but I find this deeply comic and I can’t stop giggle

        At the same time, clickbait has always existed. There’s a reason trash emerged from tv to become his own subgenre

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  • deweydecibel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    We actually don’t know what percentage they’re making. They can tell you how much they’re paid, but no one but Google can tell you how much of the subscription cost goes to them versus Google.

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    • ironic_elk@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This was maybe 5 or so years ago, but I remember Game Grumps did mention something along the lines of how they get more from someone watching their video on YouTube premium vs someone who watches their videos with ads playing.

      It's still not a ton of info, and I'm not sure if it's still true. Or maybe it's different for every channel or something.

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  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s such a disgustingly low number most people would be disgusted.

    We’re talking a few bucks for a million views.

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    • TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      the big guys get sponsors to fund them, not ad revenue

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      • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That’s a symptom of a broken system. It’s literally users creating their own ads because the platform’s ads aren’t getting them paid.

        On a related note, you can skip those ads with a plugin, or the right app on Android and Android TV.

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    • Kosmo@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s about 1$ per 1000 views. Source: my small YT channel.

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    • metaStatic@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      cpm = cents per million

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• smeeps@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  More video is uploaded every minute than anyone can ever watch in a lifetime. It costs money to store and serve all that.

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  • Rouxibeau@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Then they shouldn’t store everything.

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• Pechente@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You can get Premium cheaper through other countries. It’s super simple. I only pay about 1€ / month and that feels about right to me unlike the 15€ or something I’d have to pay otherwise.

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  • henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Isn’t there a risk of getting your Google account banned for doing this?

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    • Pechente@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s definitely a TOS violation (as is using any kind of VPN to access their content apparently) but I never heard of anyone having trouble with it. Either way, I moved off of other Google services completely, so it would not be a huge loss for me at least.

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    • Pregnenolone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’ve been doing it for four years and never had a problem with it. There are so many people from India that live and travel in my country so how would they know that I’m not one of them?

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  • sugarfree@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Which country did you go through? I assume you purchase on a VPN and then after it applies normally?

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    • Pechente@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yep! I left another reply with more details. I’m using Turkey and it’s super easy to set up.

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  • ThePyroPython@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m guessing via a VPN, but which country do you connect to for the low prices?

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    • Pechente@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Argentina or (in my case) Turkey seem to be popular options. You only need to use a VPN when setting up the first payment. Your credit card can be from your home country, no checks at all. After that it’ll just work and you won’t need a VPN anymore.

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• focusedkiwibear@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  lol zero production costs because they’re not a production studio, genius, lmao. they do have a shit ton of overhead costs though - look into it instead of acting like it costs nothing to be the largest video hosted site on the planet.

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  • ilikekeyboards@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Keep 720p only for users who upload crap and aren’t generating revenue and keep 4k for the channels who are uploading quality content. I’ve seen a podcast uploading hours of content in 4k. That is incredibly costly to stream to people.

    I’m not going to pay for a service that is so wasteful with their income and then they want more.

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• AnonTwo@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Isn't their issue more hosting costs and not production costs? Unless they start telling people they can't upload videos (exception being copyright of course) Youtube greatly outpaces the storage costs of other social media sites.

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  • ares35@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    their problem is probably paying $2 billion a year or some crazy number for nfl football.

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• CoderKat@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The pricing feels like it only makes sense if you want to use YouTube Music (and thus also don’t use one of the many streaming music competitors). Paying a couple of bucks extra for ad free YouTube is fine and that’s why I pay it personally. But if I wasn’t a YTM user already, I don’t think I would.

  And most people don’t want to switch streaming music services. I did that years ago and it sucked. Music is the kinda thing where you really benefit from the service knowing your tastes. I only did it because back then, Spotify was missing some of my favourite artists while Google Play Music had them. I don’t even know if that applies today.

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• Ds4zkMjT@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It should be a crime the way they make you subscribe to YouTube Music to get YouTube Premium.

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• seg__fault@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That’s a bit disingenuous, IMO. Of course they don’t pay to produce content, but they definitely pay quite a lot to store all of the video that millions of people are uploading daily for free.

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• dmmeyournudes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  A part of your YT Premium payment goes directly to creators that you watch based on your watch time. That is their content expenses just like HBO for making new shows.

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