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TastehWaffleZ@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

Using Chainsmoker Cat as an example is like saying Jackass is proof that western movies are all immature trash, but your point as a whole is completely valid.

It’s easy to say “you just have to find the good anime, here’s an example” and then discounting the fact that it’s basically one out of 1,000.

The medium caters predominantly to young pre-teen guys and it shows when you look at the new releases every season. Chainsmoker Cats is supposed to be that turned up to 11, and if you’re already used to filtering everything toxic out then you can claim it’s a parody but it’s ignoring that fact that you’re holding up a polished turd while rolling around in a sewer. That said, that’s exactly where I am week after week.

Frieren, Mob Psycho, Mashle, Odd Taxi, Bocci The Rock are all incredible without the glaring problematic issues you brought up

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Secret_Music@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

Mashle

Forgot about that. I watched it because I heard there was a non-binary character lol. It seems like it’s maybe meant for a school audience like Yu-Gi-Oh etc. but it was pretty fun.

Using Chainsmoker Cat as an example is like saying Jackass is proof that western movies are all immature trash

I honestly had no idea it was meant to be ‘disgusting’ or whatever. It’s just something that I saw being recommended in my feed enough to want to check it out. Anime fans don’t tend to see this kind of thing as necessary to let people know about.

I almost watched Bleach (iirc) because people talk like it’s one of the greatest things of all time. Until I just happened to come across an article that mentioned it has rape. Something that none of the people who praise it ever mentioned.

I’d love if there was somewhere that listed animes that were ‘safe’ or whatever. Because going by recommendations and what everyone is talking about doesn’t work lol.

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- TastehWaffleZ@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Yep there’s a lot of problematic themes that are just hand waived away because it’s so common that it barely phases most watchers.
  
  I don’t blame you for not realizing CSC is disgusting: it’s on Netflix and the summary is super mundane.
  
  I wouldn’t start on Bleach unless you’re fine watching a ton of filler episodes, I heard the new season is better but I stopped a long time ago and don’t have the time or interest to power through everything. I’ve watched over 1,000 episodes of One Piece and it’s not something I’d recommend. Your best bet is to find someone who has similar views and get recommendations from them
  
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- valek879@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Hey just jumping in here because it sucks that you got caught out with Chainsmoker Cat. Most of us that watch anime regularly have heard of this anime but not watched it for exactly the Jackass comparison. To me it actually sounds like watching an episode of Hoarders or some other poverty porn type thing.
  
  Anyway, my wife and I have been watching Blue Period.
  
  It’s about a highschooler deciding they want to be an artist and fighting too earn a spot in art college at Tokyo U. By my understanding Tokyo U is the prestigious University in Japan. It’s also a public school so many people just try to get in if they’re interested in higher learning. So like you’re basically competing with the entire population of Japanese high schoolers to get a spot, needless to say acceptance rates are low.
  
  We’ve found it heartwarming and inspiring. Confusing at times but overall really good. They’re standard 24 minute episodes and it’s 1 season of like 10-13 episodes.
  
  I’ll be honest though, I started watching it because some YouTuber said it had good and interesting trans representation. I’d say it does… However, it’s a Japanese lense and their culture is different to mine. I’m trans and I had to chew on how the trans character described themselves for a little bit to understand them better. It was a very culturally different framing of who they are but that’s what I want. If I wanted to see the world through only my eyes I’d never leave my house or listen to other people.
  
  Anyway, that’s my current recommendation. I would almost never recommend any Shonen Jump anime to anyone over 25 who isn’t already interested. This is where Bleach fits in. I’m told newer Jump is better, look at DanDaDan but…well, DanDaDan uses sex as a central theme and again it cultures are different. I’m pretty sure it’d run afoul of many people’s sense of propriety.
  
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mrmaplebar@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

It’s easy to say “you just have to find the good anime, here’s an example” and then discounting the fact that it’s basically one out of 1,000.

Ok, sure... But like, how is this different from any other kind of media? What's the ratio of good movies and TV shows to bad ones? What's the ratio of good music and video games to bad ones?

I would love to tell people to skip the generic stuff and latest flavor of the season anime for masterpieces and cult classics like Akira, Cowboy Bebop, Metropolis, Ping Pong the Animation, Redline, etc., but people will still opt to watch a show about a catgirl with a nicotine addiction and use that as their north star for understanding the medium. (Not seriously judging Chainsmoker Cat, because I haven't seen it and don't know much about it.)

The point being that there is no shortage of good, high-quality anime spanning 50+ years for people who care to seek it out. I've been watching anime for decades and I'm still seeing discovering classic shows and awesome movies that I haven't seen before. So yeah, go watch the good ones and skip the bad ones.

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- brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  What’s the ratio of good movies and TV shows to bad ones?
  
  Much, much higher, if we’re talking about creepy tropes.
  
  Plenty of TV and cinema is bad, but thats different than the specific creepiness we are discussing.
  
  Additionally, popular, high profile, critically acclaimed anime seems to suffer from this too. Not universally, but when I tried to get into anime it was hard to avoid.
  
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  - mrmaplebar@fedia.io ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    To be honest, I think it's hard to have this discussion in the abstract, because a lot of it comes down to what that "specific level of creepy" means, both on the individual level and culturally. I think to what degree sex, violence, drug use, antisocial behavior, etc., are acceptable in media depends a lot on the context.
    
    Many, or rather most, of the popular manga/anime series out there are shonen shows, primarily targeting the tastes and sensibilities of adolescent boys, so I think to some degree sexual content and violence are to be expected.
    
    What's more, I think America is generally more sensitive to sexual content in media than Japan, while Japan is probably more sensitive to stuff like drug use... so there is a cultural aspect to it as well of course.
    
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