Comment on AI bots now beat 100% of those traffic-image CAPTCHAs

mosiacmango@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The annoying thing is that they held us hostage for our free labor, but the results are proprietary for Google’s benefit only.

  That training data ought to be forced to be made freely available to the public, since we’re the ones who actually created it.

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• crusa187@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Afaik this is precisely what the captcha data was intended for - training AI models. Originally leveraged machine learning. LLMs are a slightly different paradigm but same purpose and results here.

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• cypherpunks@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  i hope you’re joking. please, tell me you’re joking?

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  • x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well reCaptcha v1 was used for the digitization of books. And that they proudly talked about.

    But to be honest, the pictures were in fact used to dether bots. But also to teach selfdriving cars. I think I also remember a time they used to ask to fill in house numbers probably for their Maps accuracy.

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  • mosiacmango@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Its never been confirmed by Google, so I may be wrong. It still tracks that the data harvesting company with a self driving car project that uses human labor to identify road hazards would integrate the two projects.

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    • cypherpunks@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I was referring to the “This is actually a good sign for self driving” part of their comment.

      The captcha circumvention arms race has been going on for over two decades, and every new type of captcha has and will continue to be broken as soon as it’s widely deployed enough that someone is motivated to spend the time to.

      So, the notion that an academic paper about breaking the current generation of traffic sign captchas (something which the solving industry has been doing for years with a pretty high success rate already) is “good news” for autonomous vehicles is… well, hopefully a joke.

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      • mosiacmango@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Not really. I’m not even sure what you’re disagreeing with based on the above comment.

        My point is that if bog standard AI can accurately identify all of the road information from pictures, that is good news for self driving.

        What was once a nearly impossible task for computers is now mundane, and can be used to improve safety/utility for self driving, especially for FOSS projects like comma.ai

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• iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  As I understand it, the point of those captchas was never really “bots can’t identify these things” (though you’re right on that it was used to train). They use cursor movement, clicks, and other behaviours while you’re solving it to detect if you are a bot or not.

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  • nieceandtows@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Is that why I’m asked to do this over and over for 14 million times when I’m on a VPN?

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    • iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It is probably part of it, yeah. But to be clear I’m not a captcha expert or anything, just a layman.

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  • Takumidesh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s a combination.

    Not captchas goals generally aren’t 100% prevention, it’s to put a workload in front, this makes spamming the site cost money, a bankrolled attempt could just as easily outsource the captchas to real humans.

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    • Anivia@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      a bankrolled attempt could just as easily outsource the captchas to real humans.

      Exactly. I’ve been using 2captcha for that for over a decade now

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  • Mushroomm@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Since I started getting good at yosu and that fishing mini game in farmrpg I’ve been failing more captchas. I wonder if they’re related knowing this

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  • Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The image choosing was always just to train their own bots

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