Comment on Biological sex is neither binary nor a spectrum – a biologist explains how it’s multidimensional

• atro_city@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  reaching by calling it 'multidimensional' when the entire article is two dimensional classifications. that's how. the headline is shit.

  two dimensional

  biological traits

  How are these two-dimensional?

  placement of your gonads or breasts has nothing to do with how male or female you are. what are you talking about?

  For example, someone who has a Y chromosome but complete androgen insensitivity – meaning their cells do not respond to androgens at all – develops testes hidden in their abdomen as well as typically female genitals.

  Did you even read this far?

  It seems like you didn't actually read the article or just chose to ignore everything that talked about multi-dimensionality.

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  • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    those are all two dimensional spectra dude. one end male, one end female.

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    • o1011o@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It sounds like you’re arguing that since all these traits are used to determine between a single binary classification (or spectrum) in different ways that there’s no multi-dimensionality but perhaps you’re misunderstanding.

      If biological sex is something that can be accurately represented in a certain multidimensional space then every axis will necessarily have the same type of value (a range from female to male) but a different orientation (or trait being evaluated). This is the same as how you place a mathematical point in space by using 3 axes with the same type of value (-inf to +inf) but different orientations. You need all 3 axes to place the point and can’t collapse its location down to a single axis. Similarly we should understand biological sex as something that can be measured by specific traits but never collapsed down to a single value and thus is intrinsically and inescapably multidimensional.

      Female to male is one dimension of measurement, yes, but that’s only meaningful for individual traits. An individual has many traits and so must be described in multidimensional terms even for a single metric.

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      • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        the traits are each one thing, they aren’t multi dimensional.

        again, this whole thing is bizarre and forced. traits are on a 2d spectrum of male or female.

        having multiple traits doesn’t make sex identification multidimensional.

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    • atro_city@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I'm impressed by your wilful misunderstanding. If it's not wilful, just know, it's not your fault.

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    • Zoomboingding@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Multidimensional graphs are composed of multiple 2-dimensional axes…

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      • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        there are no multidimensional graphs here. that’s my entire point. they are all 2d graphs with one axis.

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• derAbsender@piefed.social ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  like, I understand the motivation to normalize intersex people by claiming everyone is intersex, but that’s not a useful in any way, it’s just trivializing things.

  That’s how it works.

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