Firemyth

@Firemyth@lemm.ee

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  See there’s a few actually relevant points there. You are right that I disagree with the ideal and tenants of communism/marxism at a base level- those are great ideas that never can be realized as people aren’t going to abide by the concepts in reality. Someone will always attempt to manipulate the system through avarice, laziness, whatever. So working for the appropriate value won’t ever actually work. On top of that - people are going to always disagree on what a particular unit of work is valued at. There is no way to make a unit of work equal a particular value- doing so results in experts in their craft being paid the same as novices in their craft. This also results in no one being able to own anything unless you built it yourself from the materials you produced yourself.

  Going your route will simply result in mediocrity everywhere and everyone not getting enough of what they need. You ultimately wind up right back in the same situation with some slob running things and taking more than his fair share and simply writing a tenet or law up to cover his butt.

  as to the last half of your comment. what you said is absolutely saying everyone has to go kill civilians for their free education. Did you mean to say that? maybe not- but it’s what you said. So to that i’ll just say you should probably say what you mean rather than relying on the insane rhetoric that it actually is. We don’t all live in lemmygrad/hexbear/comradeship and we don’t know the inner talking points you guys have spun up. Nor do we want to. Because traditionally you aren’t in here for real discussion but for the lulz and memes and to own the west/imperials/bourgeoise

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Bro- you wandered in to a tangent about a guy equating the argument that I can rent my house out because I own to owning a mini gun and shooting into a crowd. Lol of course I don’t respect you. Nor do I feel the need to point counter point with you. Get bent.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Insert unsourced counter rhetoric without any actual research into the topic

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  insert tangentially related counter strawman

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Akshually, I’d have to charge for maintenance, property taxes, pest control, property manager fees etc. But yeah I COULD do that

  Yeah I’m renting the place out- yeah because I own it and don’t live there anymore I came up with a better idea. Sure I could just sell it I suppose- but I’m just gonna go reinvest that money elsewhere and you’ll have an equal problem with that.

  That’s not my goal. Never said it was. I’m building wealth for myself and family. I don’t plan to work forever and this is my way to retirement.

  Not a saint- never claimed it. I have some news for you- you aren’t either. Else you’d be at a food kitchen feeding the hungry. Or working the local shelter. Or even better providing your place as a shelter. But man oh man am I willing to bet you aren’t housing anyone for free either.

  Embrace what you are rather than trying and failing to claim some moral high ground and simultaneously proclaiming your ideology isn’t about morals.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Oh man you got me. Yeah I do charge more than my mortgage… I mean any amount is greater than 0… so oof yeah… you totally got me.

  I totally mark up rent too- definitely. Have done it 0 times. Man. Got me there too.

  I’m horrible for making my rent a couple hundred below market value too. Oowee.

  I did happen to read rich dad poor dad. It’s does have some solid advice on pretty basic principles of building wealth and avoiding debt. Oh man so bad of me.

  Tell me more about myself mystic of the commune.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Uh… yeah generally labor was done by slaves… I think you may not understand how thing work.

  You are right about delusion- just the whom and what of it are misplaced.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  We had houses before we had money, dumbass.

  Oh that half assery.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Uh. Ok. Point of pride for you I guess?

  Literally no loss for me if you stop commenting.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Uh… I think you might want to reevaluate that particular analogy. Maybe look at HOW Rome was built… also WHEN money was a thing.

  I mean unless you are advocating literal slavery as a means to build things.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Again this is apparently your story. Just making things up because you don’t have a relevant point I guess is what we are doing now?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Hey that’s all you bud. I mean the numbers are made up and the facts don’t matter apparently. But cool story.

  Meanwhile I’m still going to go with providing homes at a reasonable price. You do what you do and I’ll do what I do- curious which of us gets something done.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Yeah- that didn’t take much. Goodluck reconciling your future with your halfassery.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Yeah… we so were tribal nomads without society at all… so I guess that’s what you want?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Oh yeah Totally. No really.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Bla bla bla- no you.

  That’s what you just did. Which is fine but doesn’t explain any of the original points being made.

  Go get those lumberjacks to cut down that forest… wait a minute… they won’t do it unless someone pays them??? Really? But they will own the lumber… oh they don’t need that lumber? Oh man. I guess no one owns that lumber and no one is gonna cut it down then. If only there were some way to get those guys who are experts at cutting down trees to cut them down. Then wed have lumber to build houses… but wait- the guys that know how to build house wont build them? But since they don’t wanna do it I guess there’s nothing to be done. Since… ya know… paying people for their work is not valuable and apparently inherently worthless.

  Guess it’s just up to each member of society to learn all the things and do all the work themselves. Because paying each other for things means you don’t own it and only making yourself means anything.

  Also curious how I’m paying these wildly inflated housing costs but also somehow paying the people who build them wildly below the worth of their work… Man your mind just works in mysterious ways I guess.

  Yeah it really is too bad that not everyone can go apply for those scholarships… the millions in unclaimed scholarships, welfare, etc just… too bad not anyone can file the paperwork.

  Yeah I know it’s also hard not to build credit card debt, have families with no viable plan for the future, not buy the things you want but are too expensive etc… your right- literally everyone is doing that.

  Oh mustnt forget the hubris of thinking people aren’t slaves to where they start and COULD choose things like joining the military for the literal free education it gives, or contracting their particular expertise out… but I guess that involves being paid for labor… so that’s out…

  What a quandary.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Because of what you said bud. Not to mention how dumb of a take the original guy took. It’s literally the point I was making.

  You making an alt on another instance is not proof of anything.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Sure. That’d be great. Just curious why that hasn’t been implemented yet.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Yes worked/built/paid for themselves. Why does it matter if I personally hammered the nail or paid someone else for the house that he hammered the nail into? Work was done and value exchanged hands. Your mode of thinking means you don’t deserve any thing you didn’t create yourself. I own most of my houses outright as I have mentioned I worked my ass off to pay for them. So yeah…

  Oh I’d love to hear all of your education on real estate investing. I bet that’d be fun for everyone. Especially since you’ve already stated you can’t seem to buy any place on your own…

  Stating a thing does not make it so- helping myself does not harm anyone else. If anything it helps people like yourself who can’t afford to buy the place to still live in the place.

  How do you even begin to think something is owned by the workers when they are not the ones paying for any of it. If those workers were the ones getting the loans, paying the taxes, filing the permits, getting the required certificate, marketing, selling, delivering, etc… you might have the start of a point. As it is- they are the ones receiving a wage to work the land. Physical labor does not equal ownership. Again this mode of thinking means you aren’t entitled to anything you didn’t build yourself. You like that burger? Did you raise that cow? Did you slaughter it? Feed it? Work the soil to make the feed? Etc etc etc.

  I think people should pay to use my property that I’m providing for a fee. There’s really nothing more to it. We could transmute that house to a restaurant, a store, a farm and it all means the same thing. I built it. Or bought it. You didn’t. Now you can use it if you want- for a fee. Under no circumstances do you own any part of it unless you and I come to some agreement about it. You are welcome to buy it- or try to make a rent to own deal…

  Oh that’s funny because somehow I did manage to do just that… and I didn’t come from money or any special background. I applied for the scholarships, the loans, put in the work, forgo eating out for decades, looked for opportunities, leveraged my meager earnings into extra payments until I finally paid off my first house. Made sure I didn’t make a baby or get into massive credit card debt etc. I went and lived in the low cost areas no one cares to go to. I made the required sacrifices to eventually get to a better position.

  So yeah in conclusion- you just said a bunch of rhetoric with no backing and also no solution. Fairly typical if less vitriolic than normal

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  What? I’m saing you guys just follow each other around upvoting/commenting purely on the basis of “comradeship” regardless of how stupid the take is. Literally the guy tried to strawman the discussion into somethig about shooting a mini gun into people and immediately there’s you guys up voting hum.

  This is pretty classic hexbear and comrade community behavior in my short time on lemmy.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  I have no issue with any of what you said. My entire argument is about the Individual ownership and the attacks I receive from you guys.

  Your arguments have not been the system is bad and it’s the mega billionaires etc… it’s all landlords are bad because they own something you feel should be given away for free.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Right. So because you can’t afford it- it should be given to you for free? What have you bought recently? Am I entitled to that? How about you loan it to me for a set fee over time? Which makes more sense?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Did you just miss that the entire argument rests on unimproved land? By definition a home is on improved land.

  Besides I really don’t care what smith or anyone else says- I’m not giving you the things I’ve paid for for free. If you want to use it- you can make an offer. But I’m not evil for not giving you something I worked for. You are for wanting it from me for free.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Him/her/whatever.

  Misgender me all you want- I know who I am and don’t require you to know innate things or particular responses.

  But if you really need it: I didn’t mean to misunderstanding anyone.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Buddy I’m replying to the things he’s saying. If it hurts your brain that I’m detailing why the things he say make no sense that’s on you. If hexbear is all people like you- that’s on them.

  I am new to lemmy and would prefer actual discussion- if certain groups brigade and shitpost in lieu of discussing- that’s on them.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Then fucking say THAT. Not all landlords are evil. I’d be willing to bet 90% of these frothing loons don’t realize why you are trying to accomplish and are just riding the hate train.

  He’ll yeah I’m all for more taxes to pay for healthcare/education/collective housing. Hell no am I ok with just giving my shit away because you happen to think I should. Sure- pay me for my investments at fair market value- and I’ll just go an reinvest in something else that you guys will inevitably think should belong to all.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  What in the world makes you think you deserve 50% equity? Did you pay half the down payment? Did you pay half the mortgage and interest to the bank? Did you pay half the property taxes? Did you pay half the maintenance? Did you make any agreement woth the owner up front that this is what you would get? No? Did someone mention communism to you and you haven’t thought twice since?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  I’m not leaving for an echo chamber. I’m just leaving. It’s your echo chambers I’m exiting.

  All these empty houses aren’t producing rent are they? You can go buy one and give it away if you want. Oh what’s that? You don’t want to do that?

  What’s the difference if I hammered the nail myself to build the house or if I buy it from the guy who did the hammering. This is the insanity that permeates your argument. I’ve done both by the way- either way that home is owned by someone and rented to someone else.

  When did I say rent was compensation for building a home? You say that- and you are wrong for bringing it up. I built a thing- someone wants to use said thing- we make an agreement that we both agree to.

  I characterize this insane rationality as evil. You want a thing to be given away for free without compensation. It’s crazy to think this investment I’ve made is somehow going to magically fix something if I just transform it into some other thing you aren’t all brigading over. If it wasn’t a house- it’d be a restaurant, or a clothing business, or whatever. And you’d eventually get up in arms about that too. What you really want is others to give you an equal share even though you haven’t done anything to earn it and I fucking have.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  So your argument clearly states that we are living in capitalism… and at the same time states that your moral problem is one of idealism/communism. Your argument cannot exist in one and then transmute half way through to make it fit your narrative.

  We live in capitalism. I have worked and saved to buy off my house which I now rent out at market (below market actually) and provide a home that my tenants could not afford to buy on their own. I haven’t increased rent since I started renting.

  You are now blanket yelling I should be stripped of my investment. My effort. My money that I’ve worked for. And these other slack-jaws are frothing at the mouth because they can’t conceive of a difference between me and the multibillion dollar company who is actually doing what you are saying.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Hexbear federation megathread⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  This is the following each other around bit.