Comment on Hexbear federation megathread

• BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  joining the military for the literal free education it gives

  ”This education is free! Except for all the civilians I had to kill for it.”

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  • Firemyth@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    insert tangentially related counter strawman

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    • commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s not tangential, it’s the primary function of the military of the US at this point. Kill at the periphery in order to expand the markets to cheap labour once that war is over and project the threat of violence everywhere else to maintain that position (like coast guard and military in allied countries). The free education is, once again, because the war profits are much higher than even the exploited soldiers produce for the empire. That doesn’t make it ok, but it’s good to clearly understand that the soldiers are exploited for the “value” captured from wars through the expropriation of the lands at war (look at theft of oil in Syria and Iraq for the easiest examples). Soldiers could, theoretically, be paid much more if capitalists didn’t primarily take the value taken. The whole process is horrific and everyone involved guilty for the horrors. That’s how soldiers get free education, though, by being exploited for their “work” of theft through expropriation

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      • Firemyth@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Insert unsourced counter rhetoric without any actual research into the topic

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• GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  also, fuck off landlord. Mao was right.

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  • Firemyth@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah- that didn’t take much. Goodluck reconciling your future with your halfassery.

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    • GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      what halfassery? I wasn’t the initial person speaking,

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      • Firemyth@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        We had houses before we had money, dumbass.

        Oh that half assery.

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• betelgeuse@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Go get those lumberjacks to cut down that forest… wait a minute… they won’t do it unless someone pays them??? Really?

  Humans are a productive species and have produced many things necessary for survival long before capitalism or English property rights ever existed. You’re doing that thing again where you don’t know anything about history but you feel very strongly about defining the boundaries of human nature to be 17th century commerce. People don’t need money to produce things.

  People also have shared responsibilities and duties. Nobody learns every single aspect of everything else. Some people are farmers, some are not. Some people build houses, some don’t.

  Also paying for things is not unique to capitalism. Commerce has existed long before capitalism. It’s not like before 1800 everyone just traded chickens for everything.

  You do, in fact, think people are slaves. You think they should work for a fraction of the value they create and then come home to pay you 2x the amount in rent. That way you get to pay off your mortgage and then keep collecting rent once your original investment is paid off. I guess that part is different from providing a necessary service, right? You just want to provide homes and get a huge return on investment. How pure are your motives?

  I’m sure you’re clever enough to buy a farm and rent the fields to the workers and then rent them housing too. They give you a portion of their grain, it’s a fair trade after all, you own the farm. They should pay you for the privilege of working to keep you fed and housed. You should just chill and collect a check and bushel of grain every fall because you worked really hard to own that property. Totally not slavery.

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  • Firemyth@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Hey that’s all you bud. I mean the numbers are made up and the facts don’t matter apparently. But cool story.

    Meanwhile I’m still going to go with providing homes at a reasonable price. You do what you do and I’ll do what I do- curious which of us gets something done.

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    • betelgeuse@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If you provided them at a reasonable price you wouldn’t make any money. Kinda telling on yourself there. The only way your business works is if you charge more than your mortgage. The bank is charging you for borrowing money so even they’re marking it up. The reasonable price would be the price without the bank’s markup and yours.

      But hey you’re the Donald Trump of lemm.ee, so don’t let anyone ever tell you how da business goes. You grab your copy of Rich Dad Poor Dad and you solve the housing crisis by doing credit checks and marking up rents.

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      • Firemyth@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Oh man you got me. Yeah I do charge more than my mortgage… I mean any amount is greater than 0… so oof yeah… you totally got me.

        I totally mark up rent too- definitely. Have done it 0 times. Man. Got me there too.

        I’m horrible for making my rent a couple hundred below market value too. Oowee.

        I did happen to read rich dad poor dad. It’s does have some solid advice on pretty basic principles of building wealth and avoiding debt. Oh man so bad of me.

        Tell me more about myself mystic of the commune.

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• GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Go get those lumberjacks to cut down that forest… wait a minute… they won’t do it unless someone pays them??? Really? But they will own the lumber… oh they don’t need that lumber? Oh man. I guess no one owns that lumber and no one is gonna cut it down then. If only there were some way to get those guys who are experts at cutting down trees to cut them down. Then wed have lumber to build houses… but wait- the guys that know how to build house wont build them? But since they don’t wanna do it I guess there’s nothing to be done. Since… ya know… paying people for their work is not valuable and apparently inherently worthless.

  We had houses before we had money, dumbass.

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  • Firemyth@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah… we so were tribal nomads without society at all… so I guess that’s what you want?

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    • betelgeuse@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Wait, just so we’re clear on the timeline of human development. There were tribes and no society. Then there was the industrial revolution, English Common law, and then now?

      You really, really, need to study history. You’re missing a few thousand years there. That’s probably why you’re confused. You really do think humans were savage tribes before 1492.

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      • Firemyth@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Again this is apparently your story. Just making things up because you don’t have a relevant point I guess is what we are doing now?

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    • GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      When Rome was established, city walls built, aqueducts constructed, complex trade networks established, no one was being paid a wage, but that was certainly a society. They eventually got money and used it, but it wasn’t essential to running a society and still isn’t.

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      • Firemyth@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Uh… I think you might want to reevaluate that particular analogy. Maybe look at HOW Rome was built… also WHEN money was a thing.

        I mean unless you are advocating literal slavery as a means to build things.

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