DarthFrodo

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• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Are fossil fuels vegan?⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  For the first situation, 3 h a day is a lot of time. I don’t think we should expect people to make such big sacrifices every day, at least if they work full time. People need leisure to stay healthy too. If it was 1h or 1:30h it would be reasonable to take the bike imo, but at 3h I’d cut them some slack. There are simply much more effective climate measures that we as a society should implement. They shouldn’t buy a new gas car if they can avoid it though.

  You want it so much, in fact, that not stopping there to buy a hamburger creates twice as much negative utility for you as biking instead of driving

  But it also causes a lot more animal cruelty than the miniscule climate impact of one commute.

  You can do a direct analogy with environmentalism. By driving a car, you’ll do some harm to people and the environment. But if you’d knowingly chose to buy products that were produced in literal slavery conditions, and directly funded slavery that way, this would be a whole different ethical issue.

  In reality, even if a person is addicted to burgers like a drug addict, they could easily buy plant-based burger patties that taste really similar to regular ones and make their own burgers. Vegan cheese isnt quite the same yet, but a little difference in taste certainly doesn’t justify torturing animals on factory farms.

  In most countries, McDonalds even has plant based burgers available afaik.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Are fossil fuels vegan?⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  If someone is literally starving and there’s only meat available, it can be argued that it would be vegan to eat it in that situation.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Are fossil fuels vegan?⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  The definition from the vegan society is:

  Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.

  Is climate change cruel to animals? It’s not intentional harm, but it causes suffering. So it depends on the ethical framework (deontology - utilitarianism spectrum).

  Going on vacation by plane arguably isn’t vegan from a utilitarian perspective. Deontologists might still see it as vegan.

  If someone needs to drive a car and can’t afford an EV, it’s not practical to avoid fossil fuels in this case. So that would be vegan either way.

  I think the “avoiding as far as possible and practicable” principle also makes a lot of sense for the use of fossil fuels by environmentalists.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Meet the AI vegans: They are choosing to abstain from using artificial intelligence for environmental, ethical and personal reasons. Maybe they have a point⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  20 years ago you could have said “Well, solar panels might be great for sustainability in theory, but the fossil fuel industry is so overwhelmingly powerful and solar panels so bad and expensive, it’s absolutely futile.”

  Now, over 90% of added power plants are renewable, because there was at least some pressure to implement alternatives, and now they have matured enough to become economically viable on their own.

  I think there are certain parallels to factory farming and plant-based alternatives + cultivated meat. We know that factory farming is very unsustainable, especially in terms of climate impact, resource use and zoonotic diseases (like bird flu and swine flu). These issues become ever more pressing as factory farming continues. We just won’t have a choice at some point but to switch to alternatives that are more sustainable, or everything goes to shit.

  Creating demand for the alternatives funds their R&D and furthers their availability, which in turn leads to better products for lower prices, which makes further adoption much easier. Advancing the alternatives might have a much bigger impact than the mere reduction in meat consumption.

  The more early adopters, the faster new technologies can advance. That’s true for every sustainable industry like solar energy, wind energy, battery storage, electric cars, and also meat alternatives.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨YSK that apart from not having a car, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  That gets difficult when billion dollar industries are involved, especially multiple. Some politicians will oppose the corruption, but the corporations will just fund the campaign of other politicians that are willing to act in their interest.

  Transparency and a vigilant civil society with consequences for scandals can mitigate that somewhat, to varying degrees. But ultimately there’s corruption in every government at every level of governance. Capital interests always find a way, unfortunately.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨YSK that apart from not having a car, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  Imo it’s just really easy to switch stuff like burgers, nuggets, chicken wings, chicken breast etc. over to a (good) plant-based equivalent, I don’t feel like I’ve lost anything by doing that. It would already remove a lot of environmental destruction and animal suffering without people going fully vegetarian or vegan.

  Not saying those efforts can’t be done in parallel, but subsidizing vat grown meat is necessary as well.

  Yes, I agree with that and I’ll be happy when it gets affordable.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨YSK that apart from not having a car, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  I also have family members that are meat eaters, but they are often surprised how good some alternatives are nowadays when I give them new stuff to try. It’s true that some aren’t good, though. It really depends on the product. Most people haven’t tried the good ones yet in my experience, or don’t have them available in their region yet.

  The official statistics here in Germany are that plant-based sales increased by about 15% year-on-year, and more than doubled over the last 5 years alone. It’s certainly catching on here.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨YSK that apart from not having a car, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  Most vegetarians and vegans will be happy about positive changes. They aren’t the loudest ones, however. Similar to feminism, the most radical opinions get much more attention relative to reasonable ones. Especially by those opposed to it.

  When I was a meat eater I also saw it as an all-or-nothing choice though, as if I need to fully commit all at once, which was daunting to me. Then I tried to be vegetarian for a week which was surprisingly easy. Then I had a foot in the door, decided to continue, and replaced eggs and milk as well in the following weeks.

  Some people might have an easier time replacing single foods, like buying plant-based patties instead of meat ones, or just trying out a few plant-based alternatives, and that’s great too.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨YSK that apart from not having a car, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  It’s still from factory farms with very cruel living conditions, which is why it can be so cheap.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨YSK that apart from not having a car, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  Plant-based meat alternatives have also become much tastier, cheaper and available, especially over the last decade. Cultivated meat will be great for steaks and stuff, but for many things we already have replacements that are quite good.

  Some store brand meat alternatives have already reached price parity with factory farmed meat here in Germany, and this will continue as the industry scales up.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨YSK that apart from not having a car, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  They’re using the money they got from their customers to lobby politicians to keep doing business as usual. They have so much power because people vote with their dollar, for them, and not for sustainable alternatives.

  Blaming politicians while continuing to fund these industries won’t lead to anything.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Might be time to find another job⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  It’s just a joke about how weird human culture is. I wonder how you infer anything about me as a person because of one silly joke? Only super weird persons can notice weird cultural things and make jokes about it? Genuinely curious about your reasoning here.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Might be time to find another job⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  It’s crazy how many people have never been weaned

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨wtf⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  But could the average hunter still hunt without the help of modern technology? Those who are entirely unable to do so are obviously not apex predators.

  A lion can hunt any day without relying on a rifle, the vast majority of hunters could not.

  So if you are smart enough to develop ranged weapons

  How many hunters have the skills to develop and manufacture their own weapons?

  Hunters that can build their own bows or spears and are able to hunt with them are genuine apex predators, that’s fair.

  Those who are completely reliant on industrially produced high tech firearms bought in a store, and would be outcompeted by any house cat without them, are not.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨wtf⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  So apex that even hunters need firearms because they’re too fat and slow to hunt without them nowadays, and unable to improvise and use self made weapons like the og hunters did.

  I guess people that drive a forklift are “apex powerlifters” too.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨The Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion Remaster is real - Eurogamer⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  I don’t think the official one is gonna be bad by any means. They will probably fix the biggest flaws with hindsight and modernize the graphics, and it will be a big improvement over the original if everything goes right.

  But ultimately they had deadlines to meet and many more games in the pipeline, whilst the Skyblivion team can work on everything for as long as it takes, experiment much more and put as much detail and soul into everything as they want. I think that will make a difference, but both will be good games ultimately.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨The Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion Remaster is real - Eurogamer⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  Skyblivion (the fan remake) will probably have much more attention to detail and will also release this year, after over 10 years of development. The dev log videos look amazing. I’d be very surprised if the official remake is as good.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Welcome, new users!⁩ ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

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