[Episode] The Exiled Heavy Knight Knows How to Game the System • Tsuihou Sareta Tensei Juukishi wa Game Chishiki de Musou Suru - Episode 15 discussion

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• vole@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  In this episode: Ruche attacks twice. See you next week! I’m only half joking, we do get to see a new skill and we get some monster lore, potentially plot related.

  I think that the show’s choice (perhaps LN’s or manga’s choice) of having the Elymas narrate their pre-fight plan during the fight is bad. Imagine if they talked beforehand about how to get Rouche on the centipedes back. Then I’m more invested in how they can pull it off. Instead, I’m watching them do stuff, and then they tell me that they successfully did what they planned to do. Imagine if Elyma explained beforehand why logically the centipede shouldn’t be able to evolve. Then I think I’m more surprised when it does evolve and I feel more inline with Elymas’ surprise. Instead, I’m just surprised that the centipede can evolve at all. More generally, whether something goes to plan or doesn’t go to plan, I’m not going to be very invested if I don’t know what the plan is!

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  • BillyClark@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Reading your comment about the evolution, it made me realize that the most surprising thing is that it can evolve after its HP reached 0 and they got XP for killing it.

    That’s weird enough by itself, but it’s also quite different from the previous example we saw, where it evolved just by eating corpses and never died.

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• BillyClark@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m strangely enjoying Ruche’s progression. I can’t really put my finger on why. I think if it wasn’t for Ruche, I’d have stopped watching.

  I predicted before that this anime would end up like DBZ, and somebody suggested that it would be somewhat different with a small spoiler that I won’t repeat here. But so far, it’s just like my prediction. Elymas gets stronger. Elymas defeats enemy. Enemy somehow isn’t defeated and gets way stronger. Elymas unlocks new superpower. Over and over.

  But somehow, the presentation in this episode feels more like Dr. Stone to me. It’s just this one guy who knows all of the secrets, and he comes up with the exact right answer at every turn.

  This game that the world is based off of is a very weird game that doesn’t work, IMO. The dream lord is not instanced, but shared between all parties, and it’s got a mechanic that only works when it kills a lot of adventurers? That just seems like a bad game design to me. Those MMO raids are always more about learning the boss’s mechanics, and then executing them. If the game is designed to always wipe some parties, all of that design will go to waste when the mechanic is understood. So, I don’t think it would be designed like that.

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  • headward_scissorfeet@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    In an MMO, it is understood that players take notes and compare them. The economy of these games is partially based on information and the prize is largely social status based on reputation- there is an honor in being a member of the guild that achieved the first confirmed kill of a given boss.

    As to the question of the mechanics of this particular evolution, Elm is running into the problem that he is thinking about his particular situation from the perspective of someone playing a video game rather than being a person in a strange world that shares some mechanical similarities with a video game he is familiar with.

    It’s for that reason that he cannot imagine why this boss could have been deliberately set up to be a trap since players in his video game never deliberately did that (this lack of trolling is somewhat implausible, but I digress).

    But trolling is a huge feature of the world in which Elm and Ruche currently reside.

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    • Unboxious@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      this lack of trolling is somewhat implausible

      I actually don’t think so; it looks like there’s only one of these guys for everyone playing the game to share so it’s possible the moment it spawns people are already queued up to kill it.

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  • Unboxious@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This game that the world is based off of is a very weird game that doesn’t work, IMO. The dream lord is not instanced, but shared between all parties, and it’s got a mechanic that only works when it kills a lot of adventurers? That just seems like a bad game design to me. Those MMO raids are always more about learning the boss’s mechanics, and then executing them. If the game is designed to always wipe some parties, all of that design will go to waste when the mechanic is understood. So, I don’t think it would be designed like that.

    You’re right, but tbf there are some pretty shit MMOs in this world.

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