Earl of jizzburg vs Shogun emperor from sun dynasty

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• rumschlumpel@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’d assume that many of these battles did shape modern China in some way. It’s not like China was always a unified block, there were several times when local rulers carved out independent territories from it. If said local rulers had won all the important battles, there might be more than one state on the territory that is known as China today.

  Arguably, it’s a historical accident that China was relatively isolationist when the European powers started to get into overseas colonization. A different ruler/dynasty in China might have acted very differently, and rulers tend to get decided by battles, especially when the dynasty changes; e.g. at one point Genghis Khan ruled China, and that guy was certainly not content with ruling just China.

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  • Nautalax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    e.g. at one point Genghis Khan ruled China

    This is going to be an annoying nitpick but Temujin himself never got quite that far in his own lifetime. He did annex Xi Liao already, had Xi Xia on the ropes such that they were extinguished a month after his death, and the formerly mighty Jurchen Jin Dynasty was reduced to a strip of land south of the Yellow River that would take another seven years to conquer. But the Song Dynasty which had a higher Chinese population than the aforementioned states put together was very much alive and actually grew a bit initially since it tag teamed the Jin with the Mongols. While the Song Dynasty had been extremely militarily useless and constantly humiliated by the Jin before the Mongols entered the scene, they managed to find their balls and lock in afterwards and it took a whopping fiftyish years to be subdued under all that the Mongol Empire could throw at them. They outlasted Genghis Khan’s son Ogedei Khan and his grandson Kublai Khan was already a 56 year old man by the time he felt comfortable enough to declare himself Emperor of China and kick off the Yuan Dynasty.

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  • darkdemize@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    I’ve heard a theory that China’s relative isolationism during the western world’s era of exploration and colonization was due, at least in part, to their historical practice of female foot-binding. Because of the practice, a large portion of the female population was highly immobile, and the men were were reluctant to leave them behind. I doubt it would fully explain the isolation, but it certainly could have had some influence.

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    • rumschlumpel@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Poetic justice if that’s really the reason …

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• snoons@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  A lot of history, especially if it’s written in English, is Euro-centric.

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  • MNByChoice@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    True. I find it interesting that the burden for making the transition is often put on the non-native scholar and reader.

    China has the resources to popularize their history into the English speaking world by translating histories into English, make visual media in English about their history. (My focus is on English, so I do not know if China has been doing this in other languages.) Japan and South Korea are doing this at successfully, at least in part.

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  • DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Just rip the bandage its called white washing.

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  • spectrums_coherence@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I am sure not a lot of people know about this in China as well, because there is no Chinese character with pinyin “bong”…

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