Windows 10 gets three more years of security updates, if you can afford them::Windows 10 gets a version of the program that extended updates for Windows 7.
That’s the day I get Linux, I guess.
Windows 10 gets three more years of security updates, if you can afford them
Submitted 11 months ago by L4s@lemmy.world [bot] to technology@lemmy.world
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Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
darkmatterstyx@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I upgraded my Surface Pro 3’s to Kubuntu just this week. Should have done it ages ago. They run faster and cooler now.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I’ve read there’s an issue with the camera. How’s it working out for you?
KrummsHairyBalls@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Nobody asked. This thread is about Windows 10.
Red_October@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And you can’t possibly see any relevance huh.
catch22@startrek.website 11 months ago
I use Arch.
jaidyn999@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Linux distro version depositories are deleted after 2 years.
DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Why are people makikg a huge deal out of this? Win10 eas released in 2015, and support ends in 2025. That’s 10 years of support, I don’t think this is unreasonable for a consumer product by any means.
As far as industry goes it’s a bit short, but nothing catastrophic. There’s plenty of xp machines still running just fine in many places. Lack of security updates is less crucial for most of these applications since they’re often not required to be online.
Gamoc@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I can’t upgrade to Windows 11 (not that I’d want to considering all their enshittification), so they’re leaving me with an unsecured OS. I survive on £160 a month so, no, I won’t be paying for fucking security updates, instead I’ll be switching to Linux and literally never considering using Windows again.
DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
It’s also not reasonable to expect updates forever. No matter what, support for software always stops and 10 years of support is pretty reasonable for consumer products.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You realize Linux distros also charge for extended support right?
user224@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
It’s because of the huge changes in minimum requirements of Windows 11 and Windows 10 being known as last version of Windows.
DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
It’s not like this is something that’s right around the corner, it’s nearly two years down the road from now. If you already have old hardware that doesn’t meet specs, then that will be even more deprecated in two years.
PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Because windows 11 is ass
DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Good thing you don’t even need to think about switching for another two years then.
knotthatone@lemmy.one 11 months ago
Because it’s forced obsolescence by a convicted monopolist. Microsoft is effectively withholding security updates from computers built before 2018 or so with the arbitrary TPM requirement to install Win11. While I don’t expect them to support everything forever, this is another step along their journey to make PCs like cellphones. Fixed support periods for no reason other than they want you buying new ones every x years. Next up will be widespread locked down bootloaders so you can’t install Linux if you wanted to. Throw away the old and buy new. Mamma needs more quarterly revenue.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
It’s not really forced obsolescence.
Firstly, you can clean install 11 without TPM no problem, and you can upgrade in place with some tweaks. It’s annoying, but in no way “forced.”
Secondly, the EOL has been known since original release. We know the EOL of current versions of Windows 11 as well (they moved to supporting specific versions, for instance 21H2 recently went EOL, in October. 23H2 is slotted for EOL in 2026. endoflife.date/windows
Fixed support periods make sense. Otherwise you’re going to have to spring an EOL on people arbitrarily. 10 years of free support on Windows 10, a product most people got for free, seems sane to me. I realize it won’t make sense to everyone.
Next up will be widespread locked down bootloaders so you can’t install Linux if you wanted to.
Slippery slope fallacy much?
iegod@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Because it works perfectly fucking fine and people are using it and windows upgrades are more effort than not upgrading. That’s really it.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
🙄 yeah it’s like they’ve gone an written an entirely incompatible desktop with earlier versions with little upgrade path and filled to the brim with incompatibility!
Oh, that’s Wayland?
Well it’s not like every other commercially supported has an eol with posts support!
Oh that’s the entire model to support rhel, Debian, etc… I see.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
That’s 10 years of support
I work on an OS that will finally go deprecated in its TWENTY-SEVENTH year of life.
We’re not getting upset. Bit of a scam though.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Congrats on being in a low functioning desktop niche environment which is probably unusable for most users. Nearly every distro has an eol.
Synthead@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What OS?
Everyday3671@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Technologically, Window is great. There is no denying that, and if anything some the dated (+ insecure) things on it is the result of its own success, i.e. the app installation and management process, as it is hard to convince billions of people to do anything different.
On the other hand, the management of the company is the biggest problem with everything in and around Window. First, there is no single business model; MS sells you a 1 time licence for the OS itself, but then constantly try to harvest and sell your data (with ads everywhere in Windows 11), and if you want to do any office work then you have to pay a subscription for MS 365. Last but not least, they keep breaking things every few updates, i.e. I actually failed one of my university course because OneDrive decided that my report don’t need to exist (in 2018).
KISSmyOS@lemmy.world 11 months ago
As far as industry goes it’s a bit short
Industry standard is 5-6 years of support. After that, you replace the PC anyway.
sederx@programming.dev 11 months ago
After that, you replace the PC anyway.
you really dont have to though
DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Really depends on the industry I guess…we meet a lot of old XP and Win7 machines when visiting sites. Engineering stations rarely get updated unless the hardwares breaks, and a lot of software used to service the machines/production line from the engineering station often don’t run on a never OS.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This community hates Microsoft. They just want to shout about them while ignoring paid support for extended life Linux.
PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I suspect that despite not supporting it with security updates, the juicy telemetry will still be collected and sold to data brokers.
LinyosT@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
They just want to shout about them while ignoring paid support for extended life Linux.
Ironically, you’re just shouting about linux while ignoring the context behind the paid support for “extended life linux”
The paid support is for enterprise linux distros like Red Hat. This support is aimed at businesses. Not regular end users.
Regular users can get Long Term Support (LTS) versions of regular distros entirely free. Such as Ubuntu’s LTS versions. With the cool addition of being able to freely move to the next LTS version whenever that comes out to replace the current LTS version.
Efwis@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
I’ve been on Linux for 20+ years and have never had to rely on paid for support. The paid for support is really geared towards professional big business work stations and server stacks. If you need support for Linux you can find free support on their forums 99% of the time. It’s the IT departments with lazy techs that rely on Linux paid support.
You are right about the Micro$uck hate though. Why should I pay to use an operating system on a computer I buy and use until it’s reached it’s EOL when I can use Linux to do everything you do on windows and I don’t have to pay for the software? In today’s economy, it makes sense to use Linux.
narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Windows 10 LTSC IoT + a certain mass grave script or whatever has got you covered until 2032.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
What’s in 2032?
DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
EOL for Win10 LTSC
autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] 11 months ago
This is the best summary I could come up with:
As it has done for other stubbornly popular versions of Windows, though, Microsoft is offering a reprieve for those who want or need to stay on Windows 10: three additional years of security updates, provided to those who can pay for the Extended Security Updates (ESU) program.
The initial announcement, written by Windows Servicing and Delivery Principal Product Manager Jason Leznek, spends most of its time encouraging users and businesses to upgrade to Windows 11 rather than staying on 10, either by updating their current computers, upgrading to new PCs or transitioning to a Windows 365 cloud-based PC instead.
The company told us that “pricing will be provided at a later date,” but for the Windows 7 version of the ESU program, Microsoft upped the cost of the program each year to encourage people to upgrade to a newer Windows version before they absolutely had to; the cost was also per-seat, so what you paid was proportional to the number of PCs you needed updates for.
Windows 10 has mostly been in a security-updates-only maintenance mode since the 22H2 update came out late last year, but Microsoft did “revisit” the operating system last month to add the Copilot generative AI assistant and a handful of other tweaks.
For businesses, educational institutions, or governments, the point of the ESU program has always been to buy slow-moving IT shops extra time to learn about the new features in newer versions of Windows, to educate and inform users about the upgrade, and to test for incompatibilities with other mission-critical hardware and software.
Windows 11’s new system requirements add an additional wrinkle, though—not every single Windows 10 PC in every single organization officially supports Windows 11, adding the time and cost of hardware replacement (or migrating to a cloud-based setup) to the time and cost of changing operating system versions.
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devilish666@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m not gonna pay for updates, I’m just stick with my old win 7 untill the end. Glad i take the right decision to full backup 8 years ago
Although i never got updates or can run modern apps anymore, at least i got very stable & less annoying windowsNeon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
god i really hope this is either a joke or a backup computer that has no access to the Internet
Fridgeratr@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Welp, time for online security across the world to be destroyed! No one is going to pay that
onlinepersona@programming.dev 11 months ago
2025-10-05 + 3 years. That’s a whole lot of time.
SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Paid updates may as well be no updates. Give us privacy or cost
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Speak for yourself. I’d rather pay then suffer through Linux desktop.
eskimofry@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You’re the contrarian that likes corporate so much. Didn’t think i will see your comment here.
ademir@lemmy.eco.br 11 months ago
What exactly you don’t like in Linux?