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• FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  For those who don’t know how much Rick Berman sucks:

  “He’d comment on your bra size not being voluptuous. His secretary had a 36C or something like that, and he would say something about ‘Well, you’re just, like, flat. Look at Christine over there. She has the perfect breasts right there.’ That’s the kind of conversation he would have in front of you. I had to have fittings for Dax to have larger breasts. I think it was double-D or something. I went to see a woman who fits bras for women who need mastectomies; I had to have that fitting. And then I had to go into his office.”

  – Terry Farrel

  “Apparently someone had told Whoopi that we had written the episode, so she came over and started asking us if she could change one of her lines. And we were like ‘Oh you have to talk to Rick Berman. That’s Rick Berman’s domain. Only Rick Berman can go through and change the dialogue.’ There are some shows where actors just ad lib their lines, then there’s Star Trek where you have to say exactly what’s on the paper. So, I as a courtesy said I would let the production office know that she had a question about the script… Rick’s response was ‘Why the hell was Whoopi Goldberg talking to Eric Stillwell? What was he doing on the set?’ The next thing I know, I’m banned from the set. Just for passing on a message… and it was humiliating, on my episode, that I’m banned from the set.”

  – Trek writer Eric Stillwell

  heavy.com/…/eric-stillwell-working-with-rick-berm…

  Unfortunately, the article also says Brent Spiner is a big defender of Berman.

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  • Stamets@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Don’t forget the fact that he was aggressively homophobic and refused Gene’s wishes to depict the HIV/AIDS crisis in multiple episodes or even have a gay character on the show, including blacklisting a script about the crisis titled Blood and Fire. Not to mention shooting down the Garak/Bashir connection that both actors actively wanted and refusing to allow Malcom in Enterprise to be gay despite his actor also specifically playing him as gay.

    Then there’s the fact that he aggressively tore Denise Crosby’s badge off of her shirt on her last day then lied about it on Twitter saying that she ‘gave it to him’. Or the fact that he’s the SOLE reason that Tasha Yar’s legacy is being forced into sexual slavery for a high ranking Romulan. Or that he constantly fought with Marina Sirtis about her contract as well. Or that he forced himself on a ton of writing credits just on the off chance that someone might potentially sue him. Or the fact that he was micromanaging everything to do with DS9 and only got worse with Enterprise. Or the fact that he fucking breathed this morning.

    Fuck him.

    Unfortunately, the article also says Brent Spiner is a big defender of Berman.

    Data wasn’t perfect. Why should Brent Spiner be. That being said, that’s a hell of a character flaw…

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    • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Don’t forget the fact that he was aggressively homophobic and refused Gene’s wishes to depict the HIV/AIDS crisis in multiple episodes or even have a gay character on the show, including blacklisting a script about the crisis titled Blood and Fire. Not to mention shooting down the Garak/Bashir connection that both actors actively wanted and refusing to allow Malcom in Enterprise to be gay despite his actor also specifically playing him as gay.

      There was also the push to have a male actor play the main androgynous alien in The Outcast that Riker falls for. Frakes was all for it. Berman nixed it.

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    • beckerist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • Xanthrax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Also: “Since the early 2000’s, several writers of Star Trek material, such as David Gerrold[10][11] and Andy Mangels,[12] have criticized Berman’s participation in removing and minimizing LGBT themes from multiple Star Trek series, including The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine.[13] Berman has responded by saying that he took full responsibility for the lack of such characters and that he had been working with other producers on including gay characters,[14] telling Kate Mulgrew that such a character would be included “in due time”, though no such characters would be included during his time as producer.[15]”

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  • FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Didn’t really know who this guy was before but what a fucking creep.

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  • Son_of_dad@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As much as I hate him, I also hate actors who change and ad lib lines. Someone went through this work to phrase or develop a conversation or monologue, stayed up to make it the way they want, then an actor comes and changes it. I realized that while watching the making of Sopranos and David Chase explaining how disrespectful it is to to writer. But yeah Berman sucks.

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    • Serinus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Maybe, just maybe the actor is more invested in their particular character than the writer. Or maybe the line suits the actor better.

      It’s disrespectful for the writers to expect actors to play their characters without putting anything of themselves into the act.

      It should absolutely be a collaboration, and not one side dictating to the other, with no feedback allowed.

      But I’m not going to downvote a contribution to the conversation just because I disagree.

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    • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Sometimes the actors know their characters a lot better than the writers. For example, in the empire strikes back, the original script had Han saying something else, whereas Ford came up with the ‘I know’, which fits much better with his character.

      Kershner: (Tries it out) “I love you.” And you say, “Just remember that, Leia, because I’ll be back.” You’ve got to say, “I’ll be back.” You must. It’s almost contractual!

      Ford: If she says “I love you,” and I say “I know,” that’s beautiful and acceptable and funny.

      Kershner: Right, right.

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    • funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’ve worked in all sorts of performance disciplines. Comedia dell’arte, High clown, low clown / children’s ents, improv, film, theatre in pros-arch, round…, puppet , Grotowskian devised theatre, Boalian Theatre of the Oppressed…

      Only one small subset of that work demands word-perfect adherence. Performance is much more than post-Stanivlaskian Aristotlean drama.

      Even Beckett, who was completely, insanely anal about everything from the design of the tree in Waiting for Godot, to the size of the spotlight in Not I, to the length and timing of the tapes in Krapps Last Tape, still made on-set changes right up to the performance.

      Not to mention, often on set the script supervisor will sometimes give you last minute changes between takes.

      Then, no script is ever perfect. I did Glengarry Glen Ross (which is suuuper tight in terms of interruptions, e.g.

      A: “And a man has to shiver in his…”

      B: “…shoes…”

      A: “…boots…”

      B: “…shoes… boots…”

      A: “…And for what?”

      But one night the cop missed his cue during one of the sections where people are coming in and out of the office to be interviewed, and I’m (as Roma) trying to put the screws on the guy from the Chinese restaurant so I have to keep vamping on convincing him not to call his wife until the cop remembers to come out and confuses him for Shelly Levene.

      It’s so much better for the audience for me to vamp than it is for us to stop the play and go and tell the actor he missed his cue. The show must go on.

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  • WarmSoda@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Holy shit. Dudes a scumbag.

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  • JWBananas@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There are some shows where actors just ad lib their lines, then there’s Star Trek where you have to say exactly what’s on the paper.

    Sorry, neither!

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• raz0rf0x@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s crazy to think how much better an already awesome show could have been without this fuckwit in charge.

  Fuck this guy forever.

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• skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • Stamets@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is… troublesome and really demonstrates a massive lack of understanding of what happened behind the scenes. I think you need to watch this. It’ll lay out a lot of things that you don’t seem to be aware of. You’re giving Rick Berman a lot of credit for things he just simply never did.

    He had some interesting ideas, a somewhat positive outlook on the future,

    This outright false. Rick Berman said on numerous occasions that he didn’t believe that the future could be a utopia or anything like it but that when you’re making Star Trek you have to believe it. He did not have a positive outlook on the future.

    I don’t think Berman had quite the “this backstory sounds absurd even for fiction” life before Trek that Roddenberry had, but they both sucked in similar ways when it came to Trek.

    Berman had literally no life before Trek. The only thing he had done in TV was a childrens show. Also gonna need you to elaborate on how you think Gene sucked here because I see no similarities between that abhorrent pile of filth and Gene.

    I find it somewhat interesting that many women in Trek have terrible stories about him, but Kate Mulgrew doesn’t seem to dislike him all that much.

    Well, she did, but not as publicly. Why? That’s because Kate Mulgrew and Rick Berman are cut from the same cloth. Kate Mulgrew was bossing people around on the set of Voyager like she was the Queen of it. She was actively referred to as “The Queen of Voyager”. She tried to prevent Jeri Ryan from being able to use the bathroom while on set because “it takes too much time to get in and out of that catsuit.” Jeri Ryan herself commented numerous times on the active torture that she recieved on set from Mulgrew. That whole “Mulgrew liked him!” isn’t the strong take that you think it is when that woman was a fucking nightmare to her co-stars and just a fucking nightmare to people in general. Note that Kate Mulgrew is an aggressively staunch pro-lifer. Moreover, Kate Mulgrew had difficult times during negotiations herself. Rick Berman would also call to randomly say “You should eat something” because Kate was stressed on set and losing weight. So, once again, negotiations with a woman were an utter nightmare and Rick would call before scenes to taunt the actress.

    Who knows what would’ve happened if someone else had taken over the show?

    And that matters how? Why should we be happy with the mysognistic homophobic piece of human garbage that we got just because things might have been different?

    Berman did manage to turn a heavily criticised sequel (remember, everyone hated TNG when it first came out) into what I consider to be the golden age for Trek.

    ***No he didn’t and to say that is to absolutely ignore the work of everyone else on set and give far too much credit to a misogynistic piece of human filth. Stop that. ***

    Writers and actors have said on numerous occasions that the success of Star Trek had nothing to do with Rick Berman and was in spite of him. This was demonstrated in Enterprise as he proceeded to have way more of control over it. He was the reason for the decontamination gel, for instance, as well as outright ignoring characters of color and highly sexualizing female stars.

    I have to question if any nice, likeable person would’ve been able to please the networks and their execs to make all of that possible.

    You wondering about what could potentially be is not a valid reason to accept all the abhorrent things that Rick Berman did while in control of Star Trek.

    Discovery and Picard were free to develop independent of him, and they felt so very different.

    Yeah. That’s the point. They’re not supposed to feel the same because Star Trek is not a homogenized set of shows like everyone wants to keep pretending they are. You wanna talk about dark? Then we’re going to need to go back to Deep Space 9. A show that was notorious in having to hide stuff like the Dominion war from Rick Berman so it could be shown on screen. That’s right. One of the most beloved arcs, and critically acclaimed arcs, was actively hidden from Rick Berman so he had no involvement. Why? Because the show runner of DS9 knew that Rick Berman would meddle far too much.

    They’re so depressing and dark, down to the ship designs.

    That is your opinion and I really do not appreciate you trying to inject that in like it’s fact. Discovery and Picard are both dark, sure, but calling the ship design depressing is just flagrant bias which is extremely repugnant when you’re trying to use your own personal opinion to, once again, justify the actions and behavior of an aggressive homophobe and sexist.

    but I would’ve taken more Berman-like work over either.

    And I prefer the ideals that Gene himself instilled which were darker tones that focused on more harrowing examples of humanity. Rick Berman sanitized the show and turned it into an episodic piece of television that had to struggle behind the scenes and find its own voice despite the immense pressure from an executive who not only hated the concept of Star Trek but also had zero experience in working in this form of television and did not understand what he was doing.

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  • Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s entirely possible that mulgrew terrified Berman.

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    • bane_killgrind@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Probable Kate is amazing

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