Thunderbird ftw
Microsoft lays hands on login data: Beware of the new Outlook
Submitted 1 year ago by ooli@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.heise.de/news/Microsoft-lays-hands-on-login-data-Beware-of-the-new-Outlook-9358925.html
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Desistance@lemmy.world 1 year ago
kapnova9@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
People complain about Apple a lot but I think Microsoft is a much more annoying company and it is very difficult to avoid their products/services. Same with google
Chobbes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There’s definitely things to dislike about Apple, but a lot of the complaining just feels like some childish console war.
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Sure, if you only listen to and care about such petulant complaining.
There are actual gripes to be had that have broader implications.
brihuang95@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
What are the more “trustworthy” email clients? Thunderbird still good?
reddit_sux@lemmy.world 1 year ago
New Thunderbird is great.
stark@qlemmy.com 1 year ago
Does Thunderbird work with Exchange?
ares35@kbin.social 1 year ago
the recent revamp of thunderbird is really good.
em client (commercial product, but free for some--2 mail accounts, home use only) is also a solid choice.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Personally disliked emclient and went back to outlook.
Maybe I’ll consider Thunderbird in the future now that it looks modern.
Already using Firefox.
ares35@kbin.social 1 year ago
not just login credentials, but all your mail, too, even if you aren't using a microsoft-hosted mail account.
RocketBoots@programming.dev 1 year ago
I wish I was a good enough dev to write a swift keys replacement. There’s any key is available, and they’re doing an amazing job with swipe input which I prefer, but there’s only so much one person can do.
Nyfure@kbin.social 1 year ago
FlorisBoard
GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Gesture typing is still in early development. The suggestions bar doesn’t work yet so it’s really hard to use. Nevertheless, looks promising, and it looks like development is starting back up. I’ll keep an eye on it.
I have yet to find an open-source keyboard with gesture typing that is anywhere near as usable as Gboard, unfortunately.
RacoonVegetable@reddthat.com 1 year ago
Common Microsoft L
bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Ubiquitous Microsoft L
elias_griffin@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m seeing many people recommend Thunderbird. Let me enlightnen you.
I personally never trust any software that is not secure and private by default. Mozilla Corp is a for-profit corporation that makes nearly a Billion dollars in cooperation with Google monetizing data about your life.
Thunderbird is Mozilla and collects the following by default.
Thunderbird Not Private by Default
- Sends all interactions with it to Mozilla
- Whether calendar is in use
- How many filters you have
- How many email accounts you have
- Computer/Device Information including hardware configuration
- Operating system
- IP address is logged
support.mozilla.org/…/thunderbird-telemetry
Disabling Telemetry
- Click the menu button Menu Button and select Settings.
- Select the Privacy & Security panel.
- Scroll to the Thunderbird Data Collection and Use section.
- Deselect the Allow Thunderbird to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla checkbox.
Bad Security Practice of using a Primary Password
…mozilla.org/…/protect-your-thunderbird-passwords…
17 Criticial or High Vulnerabilies this year alone
Conclusion
If email security and privacy means a lot to you, or even computer security and privacy, your best options are to use BSD/UNIX/Void/Alpine and Claws-Mail. That is just the way the cookie crumbles in 2023.
cheese_greater@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Can someone respond to this who is able to reasonably challenge this view(s)?
chaospatterns@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s true that Mozilla does collect telemetry and that Mozilla Corp is for profit, however Mozilla Corp is owned by Mozilla Foundation. That ownership structure is either a way to get around limitations on non profits, or its an opportunity for the Foundation to directly influence the Corp to be better.
However, I’ll still use Firefox/Thunderbird because: Usage stats such as number of accounts or filters is in no way comparable to my username and password. One is basic metadata and stats, the other is a massive risk. You can opt out of the telemetry, the only way to opt out of sharing your password is to not use the new Outlook.
I take a more pragmatic approach to privacy based on my trust. I understand the value of telemetry, but change it depending on the company. Big Tech I have less trust in, Mozilla, while they have issues, are on average far better for privacy vs big tech.
As a developer, I understand the value of telemetry and the risks that come with collecting any data. I pick Firefox because it challenges the homogeney of Google’s influence and it looks like I’m going to pick Thunderbird because I’ haven’t seen a better option.
thomask@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Honestly I’m glad they highlighted the telemetry. I went through the local report about what’s included and while it’s not an upsetting level of detail, it’s more comprehensive than I would have opted in to if asked.
Still, as sibling points out it’s in a completely different league from slurping up your IMAP creds, something which has always been local-only data. This is the second time I know of recently where MS has trampled on this kind of local-only expectation - the other was Edge defaulting to sending the contents of textboxes you’re filling out on webpages to the MS cloud for spelling and grammar checks. Thunderbird is still a sound recommendation, and unlike Microsoft, I trust that if I uncheck the telemetry box they’re not going to try to get me some other way.
Saki@monero.town 1 year ago
Thunderbird doesn’t passphrase-protect your PGP key. Though you can set a general password… For something less important, its OpenPGP may be convenient, given that if you send/receive email normally, there is metadata problem anyway. But if you need to play it safe, you may want to use gpg offline and paste ascii.
Increasingly more and more “phoning home” is not exactly comfortable, either: thunderbird-settings.thunderbird(.)net location.services.mozilla(.)com addons.thunderbird(.)net versioncheck.addons.thunderbird(.)net services.addons.thunderbird(.)net, etc. Perhaps people today, both users and developers, feel something like this is normal, because things were already more or less like this when they were born.
Re: Micro$oft - It might be that after raped by Google, the society has been desensitized and stopped feeling anything about “minor details.” Why worrying now? You use a Windows 10 passport account (what is it called?) just to log on to “your own” computer and also a Gmail account anyway, right? So bad news is, your privacy is almost zero already.
- Sends all interactions with it to Mozilla
WikiBayer@feddit.de 1 year ago
Yet another reason to use Thunderbird or Evolution. There must finally be mobile devices with Linux that are usable.
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Both of those are usable but that’s about it. I use Evolution because it integrates with online accounts service well and I don’t have to mine for contacts, but overall it’s a sorry state of email clients in Linux world. Geary had nice ideas for a while, but it’s also dreadfully optimized and development has kind of stopped.
It’s also not such an easy to problem to solve either. Whole Gnome ecosystem got a lot better with new and modern applications with sleek designs, but email clients remain a pain in the ass.
brothershamus@kbin.social 1 year ago
It's just outrageous that we're in 202-almost-4 and mail is still in use the way it is.
Seriously, the fix has been available for almost 30 years, no one has been able - or willing - to popularize it. Hmmm.
lemmyingly@lemm.ee 1 year ago
What’s the fix?
sunbeam60@lemmy.one 1 year ago
I mean, duh!!
It’s a web version wrapped in some god-awful semi-native wrapper. Everything the app does is stored on the server. So, yes, like gmail, if you give it access to another IMAP account, the password is stored on the server BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS.
This isn’t a scandal. It shouldn’t be news.
The bigger discussion why are we pretending a server driven mail client is local?
thomask@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
That is the discussion. Microsoft is pretending by making it the upgrade path for two products which actually are local, and hoping users won’t notice.
JustARegularNerd@lemmy.world 1 year ago
At work I’ve been trying to use the new Outlook but the biggest gripe (other than this new news) is that it’s once again, a fucking Electron app and a lot of features have been cut.
I work at an MSP and people have mistakenly changed to the new Outlook, and then find things like their local mail rules stop working (because it doesn’t support those anymore), their custom accounting software that would compose an email in Outlook straight up won’t do that with new Outlook, for businesses it’s going to wreak havoc if Microsoft just force updates everyone.