Microsoft quietly deletes Windows 11 doc pushing 32GB RAM for gaming after outrage

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• warm@kbin.earth ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  "Hey we cant be bothered using resources efficiently, please buy more ram :)"

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  • kubica@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    "And pay the copislop"

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• Rhaedas@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The fact that they backed down on it means it's not a hard fact, but something they want you to believe. Or maybe they're going back to the drawboard to optimize it better. Or realistically, it does take that much to run well, but they'd rather deal with the aftermath than say it out loud since it's less people shouting.

  If they could make a better Windows, they would. But it's possible it's built on top of so much crap that they'd have to start from the beginning, and probably would just do like they did from the start, use someone else's software to branch off of.

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  • djdarren@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ve been think quite a lot lately about how a tech company announces that something is now The Truth, and all the media posts stories about The Truth, and that therefore becomes The Truth and that’s that. It’s always been that way, I know, but it feels like these past few years, with crypto, NFTs, and now AI, it’s become more blatant.

    Tech Bros say “AI is the future”, then force AI into everything, and that’s that. No one was asked, we were just given it, because they’ve spent a lot of money on it and need us to believe them.

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  • Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    nothing a company says is fact… it’s 99% lies, or they are just firing people

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  • BCsven@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Its what they wanted so they could run more garbage. Like how machines were said to not make the w11 cut, until adoption was poor and then they lowered the system bar.

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  • Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If they could make a better Windows, they would.

    not really, anything after 7 shows that they can have good OS and fuck it on purpose the next one. Same thing happened with XP

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• Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Um, 16gb has been the minimum for years, as in “do not build a machine with less, you’ll regret it at some point”.

  And 32 has been the “this is what you really want if you multi-task heavily”, so yea I wouldn’t try to game with less than 32.

  My 2019 laptop came with 32 by default - you had to specifically choose 16.

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  • BCsven@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think people don’t realize how bloated Windows has become. I had a newer workstation laptop for work with 32 gig. My wife had a 15 year old laptop with 8 gig. Her machine ran zoom and spreadsheets much better than my work machine. My work machine was laggy. The difference was windows10 on high spec machine vs NixOS on the much older lower spec laptop.

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    • 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I will point out it’s not just Windows at fault here (though it’s not guilt free). Modern consumer commercial software, across the board, is bloated shit. Even a lot of the prosumer or even full professional software is the same.

      The modern web is pretty bloated too, pretend to be average Joe chrome user without adblock and open 15 tabs of the most popular sites on the internet. It does not matter what OS you’re on, that’s going to be a frankly ridiculous amount of memory usage.

      This was not ideal but kinda manageable about a year or two ago before memory prices went crazy. Memory was almost commodity unless you were an enthusiast, you could just get more if you needed it and it didn’t really cost you much.

      The ecosystem wasn’t really set up to expect it to get more expensive at all, let alone multiplied by several times

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  • vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Every game released in the last 5 years can be played at 1080p on high with 8GB of ram on cachyos.

    Pretending you should ever need 32GB when gaming has plateaued so dramatically in RAM requirements is absolutely silly.

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    • Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s a different OS altogether.

      Try to run Windows in 8 gig and you’ll have a bad time.

      It’s just the way it is.

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  • JiveTurkey@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think the point is that these requirements are the result of poor software development and windows as a whole. Consoles manage just fine with less than 16GB and that’s a shared pool between GPU and CPU. M$ Windows is bloated and developers have seemingly given up on optimization.

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    • Triumph@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Consoles are built to do one thing. General purpose computers need to do a whole lot of things. Apples and oranges.

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    • Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It may be bloated to you or me, but it’s a general purpose OS that addresses many more requirements out of the box than Linux, by design.

      As a business admin this means when you suddenly have a new business requirement for a functionality, you don’t have to go to every machine and install a new service, or even build a test lab to ensure that service will work stably - MS has done this for you.

      This has always been the MS paradigm, and Linux started from the opposite paradigm - provide a nominally functional OS and let the end user (think business/environment management) add only what is needed for that specific use-case.

      Windows exists because prior “operating systems” were task-specific (see the IBM Mini’s that still exist in some form) which weren’t really useful for a single user.

      Linux exists because people (not just Linus) saw the need for a minimal OS for PC architecture that could be built to task - there had already been efforts to port Unix.

      Two very different paradigms addressing different requirements.

      Build a Linux box that does what Windows does out of the box (with all the testing that MS has done) and it will require more ram too.

      (Though the lack of optimization has always been a problem, something people like Minasi and Gibson have long pointed out.)

      Nothing you’ve said negates that multi-tasking in Windows has always required more ram than the nominal “run Windows” spec, and it’s generally been 2x the nominal.

      And back to bloat - 64bit requires more ram for everything. That was a big leap. And then there’s maintained support for old software - running 32 bit apps on a 64 bit OS/API. That takes a thunking layer that doesn’t come for free.

      Linux and Windows simply work from 2 very different paradigms.

      Funny, no one ever complains about the memory requirements for say an AS400… Oh, yea, it can’t do anything that Windows does - that’s not what it was designed for. And really, Linux wasn’t either - you can just build it for that if you want (as the many distros have).

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    • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Consoles don’t really multi task. Consoles also have a hard limit. PCs can be anything from 4gb to 3tb.

      Optimization is definitely an issue. But MSs point was “no worries” It’s a “fuck you my PC can run it all” amount of ram.

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    • meejle@piefed.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think you’re right. Like, most software hasn’t functionally changed much since the days it required 512 MB RAM and came on a DVD-ROM. I guess optimisation isn’t really a thing nowadays.

      But also I think PCs could get by with less RAM, too, if they only let you run one app at a time (with no background apps). 😃

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