Submitted 1 year ago by unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone to australia@aussie.zone
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-11/neo-nazis-likely-behind-lidia-thorpe-video/102952670?
I sometimes wish exile was still a thing. It’s only an idle thought and I know if it was it would be misused massively but god damned.
My mum and her parents came here to rebuild away from all the pain caused by Nazis. Now they’re on the rise again, it’s such an odious and infectious ideology that I’m not sure we’re culturally prepared to handle.
Even just the presence of a handful poisons community, as you can see here where a couple of horrible people can inflame and terrorise a lot more.
Exile used to be a tempting idea to me too, but it's a bit of an "out of sight out of mind" solution. The exiled will end up somewhere, and likely damage the environment and original inhabitants of the area. Just like the first colonialists destroyed the food sources of Sydney's Aboriginal population in the late 1700's (and that's before we get to the possibly-intentional spreading of smallpox).
Even if we could ethically-ish dump them on the moon, you'd just be creating a hostile neighbour. Sci fi has already well and truly explored the possible outcomes of that scenario for us.
Unfortunately, we as a society made them, we've got to be the ones who contain and prevent the damage they cause. And somehow, we need to do it ethically too.
I don’t like thinking of the individual people this way but personally I think Nazism like a virus. It’s always dormant and attaches itself onto subcultures and fringe communities. It evolves and adapts to different contexts, always trying to exploit opportunities for division and hatred. And it thrives in democratic societies that tolerate different points of view - it exploits that. Essentially any complex, cosmopolitan society is always at risk of a nazi epidemic breaking out. Similar to viruses, you can never really erradicate them but you can try to immunise your society and prevent it from taking over your democratic systems.
Same. It would be better for everyone if we paid other countries to take criminals and extremists instead of putting them in cages.
No not like making them someone elses problem. Just like sending them off into the no longer existing vacant wilderness to survive or die as they see fit, cut off from the communities they parasitise.
It’s a very silly daydream.
Let’s just swap everyone on Christmas Island out for them
I’m really confused. What are these idiots trying to achieve?
Presumably, they’re in the “No” camp. So, why are they going after the most visible Aboriginal public person calling for a “No” vote?
Maybe they only want people to vote no for their (presumably racist) reasons?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Two notorious Australian Neo-Nazis have been exposed as the likely architects of a menacing video in which a masked man denigrates Indigenous senator Lidia Thorpe before burning the Aboriginal flag.
A forensic analysis by ABC Investigations suggests reasonable grounds to suspect Melbourne men Jimeone Roberts and Stefanos Eracleous are behind the footage which sparked national outrage last week.
In a Melbourne press conference on Thursday, Senator Thorpe — who has been campaigning for a No vote in the Voice to parliament referendum — accused the AFP of failing to protect her from racist abuse and threats, saying: “For four months I wasn’t allowed to be in my home because people want to kill me out there”.
Archives of private Telegram chats provided by antifascist research group White Rose Society showed Eracleous had signed a letter with the alias “John Dixon” during a dispute with a Melbourne publican last year.
Independent far-right and extremist researcher Kaz Ross reviewed the analysis by ABC Investigations and said: “I have zero doubts in my mind that it was Jim [Roberts] and Stefanos [Eracleous’s] video”.
A Melbourne magistrate last year labelled his actions “disgusting, vile and repugnant” after he put up more than 50 swastika stickers in a suburb with a large Jewish population, the day after the Victorian government announced it would criminalise the hate symbol.
The original article contains 1,170 words, the summary contains 222 words. Saved 81%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
You never see these pricks on the street. Fucking turn up in Melbourne and let the Sharpies sort 'em out.
I remember filling these cunts in when I was in my twenties. Big ups to the next generation, you have your work cut out. Happy to see ranks growing.
jmd_akbar@aussie.zone 1 year ago
From the article,
Ummm… 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
generally Nazis have terrible opsec because LE never does anything substantial about them
Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 year ago
The ABC has been running investigations into far right groups in Australia for a while and it’s really quite funny how terrible these people are at masking their identities online. They make it so easy for their activities to be tracked and traced back to their real identities.
manuallybreathing@hexbear.net 1 year ago
you’d be shocked to learn what information is publicly available.
LineNoise@kbin.social 1 year ago
The multiple "Peter Dutton buys house" stories that effectively left everyone one search short of his precise home address amused me. Particularly given the degree of paranoia the man operates under.