So second amendment extreme absolutists are saying that any effort to make guns safer violates our right to have guns. Not to mention that the second amendment has been historically interpreted to apply to "well regulated militia" until fairly recently in supreme court rulings.
Judge blocks California law requiring safety features for handguns
Submitted 1 year ago by Blamemeta@lemm.ee to conservative@lemmy.world
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halfempty@kbin.social 1 year ago
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Its not about safety. There isnt a gun out there with microstamping, its a ban with a different name.
FireTower@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The Bruen decision touched on that topic of historical interpretation. It stated that post 1860s historical interpretations of the 2A were not reliable indicators of the meaning of the text because the of the pro slavery revisionism of the Constitution, which among other things redefined that amendment to not apply to ‘the people’ as a means of insuring the Black Americans couldn’t be armed.
As for the historical context of ‘well regulated milita’ at the time it was written it was interpreted as to mean a militia (a force comprised of the regular people) held to a standard of preparedness. Able bodied men were expected to maintain a musket or rifle should there be a need to defend the land. Militia organizers were tasked with the duty of ensuring these firearms were functional if they were to be needed. If an individual was to say have a rustied musket they’d be expected to clean it to bring it into a serviceable state.
ihavenopeopleskills@kbin.social 1 year ago
You realize who the militia has been since our nation's founding, right?
halfempty@kbin.social 1 year ago
At first, militia were formed in response to war. There were no standing army until well after the US was formed. The closest we have to a well armed militia as envisioned by the second amendment are our state national guards. The second amendment was created before the concept of a US standing army.
sudo22@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“Well regulated” does not, and has never, meant government regulations. Well regulated means more along the lines of well trained, equipped, and armed.
halfempty@kbin.social 1 year ago
The point is that a mob or gang of armed vigilantes pushing an extreme political agenda is NOT a well regulated militia. But those are the people holding up the second amendment. Ordinary citizens outside of the context of a well regulated militia have been outside of the scope of the second amendment until the rise of the NRA in the middle of the 20th century.
FireTower@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Just a heads up that this article is somewhat old and the case has since been reversed on appeal, then that appeal got remanded by the 9th circuit back down to the district court level where the judge in the article presides and is currently awaiting a new ruling. If his recent ruling on magazine capacity is to serve as an indication we should expect for the law to be struck down again soon.
Tldr: Currently the handgun roster is still in effect for CA residents.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 1 year ago
“Safety” is definitely a word, not the one I’d use.
Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 1 year ago
The 2001 law, known as the Unsafe Handgun Act, requires new semiautomatic handguns to have an indicator showing when there is a round in the chamber and a mechanism to prevent firing when the magazine is not fully inserted, both meant to prevent accidental discharge. It also requires that they stamp a serial number onto bullets they fire, known as microstamping.
What part of that leads you object to them using the word safety?
SilentCal@lemmy.basedcount.com 1 year ago
Loaded chamber indicators and magazine disconnects are fine to call safety devices. They are comparable to cars with tire pressure lights and automatic braking. Some people will still debate them…
However microstamping is a feature that has never been economically or technologically feasible. It’d be like passing a law that in CA only cars that leave unique tire prints everywhere they go could be sold. And then Californians could only buy cars models from before the law was passed.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The microstamping. As far as I know, no gun does this. What it effectively is, is a way to ban guns without outright calling it a ban.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Microstamping. No gun made has it. Afaik, no gun has ever been made with microstamping.
Its a ban by another name.
FireTower@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The current system has the state certifying a specific SKU, meaning to other wise identical firearms could have one legal and one illegal because the second one differentiated by what finish it was sold with & the SKU hadn’t been specifically approved.
They also implemented a policy of restricting additional firearms to the approved roster unless others were removed.
sudo22@lemmy.world 1 year ago
A gun is to be treated as loaded under nearly all circumstances. If you don’t understand that, a chamber indicator won’t help you. If you do understand that, a chamber indicator won’t help you. Same with the mag disconnect
What would be far more effective is to teach gun safety in school. Just like how abstinence and ignorance of sex isn’t an affective way to prevent accidental pregnancy, education is. And this isn’t a new concept, that used to be standard in America.