'Fake it till you make it' insinuates fakers stop being fake, once they make it; reality seems to suggest otherwise

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• otter@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I understood “making it” as accomplishing what you were pretending to be, often in the context of self-confidence

  • someone is scared of public speaking and thinks they’re no good at it
  • they pretend that they are someone who is good at it, in order to get through situations where they need to do public speaking
  • they eventually just get good at it

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  • PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    That’s another angle I didn’t consider. So you mean the traits one initially fakes, may become part of their personality (and therefore doesn’t require faking anymore)?

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    • otter@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Pretty much, that’s what I understood it to mean anyway

      I assume the phrase has been used in other contexts too

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    • Bazoogle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It’s often about imposter syndrome. People don’t feel like they belong, when really they often are the same as their peers. So if they just pretend like the belong they can keep the facade until their imposter syndrome goes away.

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    • Triasha@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Exactly. A lot of getting good at something is practicing. No one wants to spend time doing something they suck at, especially in public, but rather than practice in private, we can try to trick ourselves into believing we are actually already talented, faking it to get the practice that is needed to build the skill.

      This might also help with mild imposter syndrome.

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• owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Ah, but that is the great reality–those who “male it” are themselves still faking it, and the question is: are they really faking anymore, or is this who they really are?

  Relevant xkcd

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• Battle_Masker@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  They’re still faking it because there’s always another “it” to make

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• Paragone@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  IF one’s doing something, like getting onstage & doing a presentation, is something one has no experience with..

  THEN “fake it ‘till you make it” is absolutely-valid advice: you can’t gain experience doing presentations, without doing presentations!

  Inherently-inauthentic people, however, are inherently-inauthentic people.

  That is a different category.

  People have to LEARN how to do, how to be, & that requires stepping outside of what one already-has-done.

  How could it possibly be otherwise?

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  • hark@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    That’s not faking it, that’s just doing it and getting better with practice.

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    • kiwifoxtrot@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It is the mind set required to do something you are uncomfortable with such as public speaking. It helps people realize the confidence required to get up and speak and gain practice.

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• stangel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Well then they obviously haven’t yet made it!

  No true Scotsman and all that

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  • PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    That could be a valid explanation: they’re just never satisfied, which is why they keep faking.

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• TheFogan@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Well depends, I think some industries just are fake in general,

  Chiropractors, stock traders that aren’t using insider information etc…

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• KoboldCoterie@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I disagree; “fake it til you make it” prescribes specific behavior (faking it) for a specific period of time (until you make it) but does not specify what behavior should take place (faking it or not) after that period has been reached.

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  • PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    ‘Till you make it’ suggests to me, one ceases to be fake after success. Which either means they return to their pre-faking state, or the faking becomes part of their personality (and therefore doesn’t require faking anymore).

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