Submitted 1 day ago by King@sh.itjust.works to technology@lemmy.world
https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost/issues/34271
Mattermost user here, I self-host an instance for friends and family (and their children).
To upgrade and discover I’d lost access to the message history on my own instance was infuriating. I’m investigating alternatives right now.
So far Zulip seems reasonable - although Google and especially Apple being shits about push notifications means you can’t self-host push notification servers 🙄 So I’m considering forgoing push notifications altogether and leaning on email notifications instead.
Depending on the group using it, you can apply for a Community plan to enable mobile push notifications. I do wish Zulip would use UnifiedPush or something like that, or even allow your own ntfy setup, but I’m placated by the Community plan.
Have you explored what it takes to self-host a notification server? I explored Zulip, and it looks similar, but I haven’t explored the notification server yet.
Zulip paywalls mobile notifications, but you can apply for a Community subscription which is free, and includes mobile notifications.
Didn’t realize Mattermost still existed.
Do you know of a better alternative? No irony here, I’m looking for something similar for family and company (50 to 100 people) setting. Was thinking of deploying Mattermost. For family, we settled on Matrix and it mostly works. We are at their default server, and I’m considering self-hosting it in the future. Yet, I’m not sure it’s a good idea to have Matrix deployed for a company. It lacks too many features, including search. Mattermost looked like the best option for me. I did try it locally a couple of months back, and mostly liked it.
However, I never liked them as a company. They have been giving me those ‘we’d give you the community this wonderful opportunity to develop the software for us, for free’ vibes. Now, it feels like my impression correct.
It’s still used pretty heavily in enterprise and high security environments.
I know of at least one FAANG company that uses a self-hosted, self-contained Mattermost instance, totally separate to all their infra, for communication in major outages when all their internal tools are down.
Yep, and very actively developed too.
Whilst I disagree with some of their technical decisions, it's really good at what it does.
This report is sad to read, and concerning that Mattermost are not communicating back to the community.
That’s what? A few megabytes of storage? That’s an absurd restriction.
Worse, it’s a few megabytes of selfhosted storage. Data on a server you own that you are not allowed to access.
About 8MB is you assuming average message size is 200 UTF 16 characters.
Ah, quality IRC replacements.
I have the same thought. Group chat is a solved problem, why do people keep flocking to shittier alternatives is beyond me. Want notifications? Install a bouncer, done.
There’s IRC, XMPP, and nu-messaging with enshittification.
IRC is too difficult for normal people to figure out. Normals don’t know how to /join, /nick, and all that other stuff. People want a username and password, because that’s a standard thing that everyone knows.
Even Matrix is too complicated for most people.
IRC serves a purpose, but judging by the success of Discord there’s obviously something lacking from IRC.
IRC is too difficult for normal people to figure out.
“Connect to any server you have ever heard of. Enjoy.”
Isn’t mattermost GPL’d?
Mostly. Official releases are licensed MIT only as compiled software. Derivatives are explicitly required to be AGPL 3.0 but they muddy that with trademark terms that give them a lot of ways to excuse crushing genuinely AGPL 3.0 forks. It’s a minefield and it’s designed that way on purpose. In reality, it’s more “source available” than “open source.”
Ew, gross.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
From the headline I assumed it was some weird bug, instead it’s enshittification of an open source project. Suddenly they chose to hold ransom of the free users data, so they have to contact sales to know how many thousands of dollars you need to pay every year to access those old messages. It’s self hosted, this limitation doesn’t make sense, it’s pure extortion