Finally something to unite the nation under 🤣
Watch the insurance payouts drop dramatically if these go through. Access to all of your medical history… Insane. Still nothing compared to the proposed EU Chat Control.
Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards
Submitted 15 hours ago by Flax_vert@feddit.uk to unitedkingdom@feddit.uk
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194
Comments
Babalugats@feddit.uk 41 minutes ago
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 minute ago
EU Chat control is ridiculous. Anyone with a bit of knowledge can easily set up a snikket instance and get e2ee. Or just do it over regular email with email clients like k9 and openpgp
danielquinn@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
The opposition to id cards themeselves in this country is very strange to me. Most civilised countries have some sort of national identification number/card that can be used to access government services, and having worked inside the UK government, I can tell you what a total nightmare it is to develop services for Britons without such a unique id.
What kills me, is that inevitably the id card debate here seems to focus in on the existence of a card rather than what the government wants to attach include with it, like biometric data, or pairing it with an app with invasive permissions. You need an id number for me so that I can be identified when accessing government services, you don’t need to keep a record of every time I boarded a train or more surveillance nonsense.
This country is so used to government surveillance that they automatically assume that “id card means more tracking” rather than objecting to the tracking that already exists (have you seen Oxford Street?) and opposing an id that’d save the country mountains of cash and hassle if used properly.
disgrunty@slrpnk.net 2 hours ago
We have social security numbers already in the UK to identify us when using government services. For me personally, I just don’t want spyware junk on my phone or computer because we all strongly suspect that’s what it’s for.
MrNesser@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
We just dont trust our own goverment to not use the data malicously, its a bare basic instinct the majority of the country has.
ID cards have always been related in the public view directly to police states and authoritism, whenever you see one of those old films the first thing the person in authority says is “papers please”. Thats something a majority of british people have been brought up on and its ingrained in us so much, the very mention of an idea pushes us all to shout no.
RandomUser@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I’m genuinely in two minds in this one.
I’m currently middle aged and have a driving licence. In 20 years or so I probably won’t, so will have no formal ID. - That’s worrying if I need to present ID to receive services, therefore some official form of ID is a good thing. By that age I’ll probably want to ditch the smart phone for a simpler model and a simpler life (the eyes are going already) so will want a physical ID card, not something on my phone.
I am not sure how I’ll be able to live in older age in a digitalised society, but that’s for another rant.
Would I like an ID card that had all my medical record on it? Yes, I think that could be useful given the sometimes lack of communication been hospitals and GPs. It’s therefore a useful vehicle for good things if they were to be added.
Do I expect that it’ll be used intrusively at every possible opportunity? Youbetcha. Corporations will in due course find ways to profile with it, as they do with loyalty schemes and credit cards. State intrusion both local and foreign will also probably happen such as 5 eyes data sharing.
Do I trust that the government could actually pull this off? They can’t build a few miles of fast railway. This will cost billions, result in many brown envelopes and take ages. I certainly worry about the cyber security of such a system if it happens. Whatever happens it must be a wholly UK project.
Will it stop migrants? No. Will it stop the shadow workforce? No. I don’t believe it will do any of these.
I’ll say it. There are far worse regimes out there, but I do not trust my government. I do not believe they work for my best interests nor those of much of society. I therefore deeply suspect the motives of this scheme and don’t believe it’ll solve the problems they say it will.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 hour ago
I think you can get an electoral ID now which everyone can access. Northern Ireland has always had a free “polling card” and it’s typically the first ID someone gets if they don’t have a passport
nialv7@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Labour: hmm, looks like we are still too high in the polls.
elgordino@fedia.io 13 hours ago
I don’t understand the point of this. The govt is only just now rolling out Gov.UK ‘One Login’ with identity verification across its services. That should be enough for what government needs, this is just overreach.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 hours ago
Watch the Tories and Reform rise in popularity by saying how invasive it is, only to keep it and make it worse when they inevitably get in.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 12 hours ago
Exactly. They could have resolved it by adding pictures to the HMRC app and website as an option. Probably make it mandatory for the employer to upload one at worst.
swizzlestick@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
hellothere@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
I honestly don’t get the resistance to a standard ID card.
We already have passports, driving licences, and national insurance as work arounds to prove identity, so in and of itself I don’t get why a proper one is a problem.
I’ve literally had to carry a driving licence for over two decades just to get a beer.
BMP5k@feddit.uk 39 minutes ago
When you show your physical ID to buy alcohol it’s a one and done offline interaction. Digital ID is an audit log, it’s not impossible to envision how this data might be used against you by 3rd parties, advertisers, insurance companies and governments.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 14 hours ago
I carry my driving licence too, but by choice.
I’ve been to China. I don’t want this place turning into China. You have to use your ID card for everything, from boarding trains to going to museums. And when you’re not showing it directly, you’re using something else that’s linked to it- like digital payments.
mannycalavera@feddit.uk 5 hours ago
I carry my driving licence too, but by choice.
Lisa Nandy was just on Sky news and explicitly said that it is optional to carry it. You’d apparently “have an ID” but you don’t have to carry it.
I’m not sure what that means for why they need it. Apparently to check work eligibility easily instead of one of several means that are, in her words, “more easily forged”.
You could quite easily develop a system like the driving licence check (for when you rent a car, for example, to check your driving status and points) to provide extra information anonymously like age range or work status or whatever you wanted. In fact if we were still in the EU we’d be able to participate in the beta that Spain is spearheading for age verification: ageverification.dev. It’s goals are explicitly privacy focused so I’d encourage people to read the details.
As a technology challenge I don’t think there’s a good argument not to have such a system rather than the patch work one we have now that was designed and built close to hundreds of years ago. However politically selling something like this to British people is always going to be the hard part.
Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 8 hours ago
And if we’re having to present an ID card for the mundane it isn’t a stretch to imagine the government having the ability to harvest that information.
hellothere@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
I completely agree with not wanting the UK to be China.
But I do see these as separate things - the same issues you describe could be done with driving licences, if someone was mad enough to try.
wewbull@feddit.uk 12 hours ago
You’re nearly 40 and have to show ID to buy alcohol?
thehatfox@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Many places have a “Challenge 30” policy or similar where they ask for ID if you look under 30.
If you still look youthful at 40 it’s possible to get ID’d.
DakRalter@feddit.uk 3 hours ago
I’m 41 and still have to bring my passport with me when I need to buy blades or aerosols.
mannycalavera@feddit.uk 5 hours ago
40? ID says he’s 18, I swear! He’s old enough!
Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 8 hours ago
Lucky git. I’m 42 and I think the last time I was asked for ID was when I was 26.
thatradomguy@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
McLovin time
Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 minute ago
About to tip over 900,000. 899,553 signatures This is a very rapidly popular petition.
People in Britain DO NOT want this. petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194 900,717 signatures Very rapid. Was only about 200,000 yesterday morning. 902,839 signatures Expecting over a million by time I finish lunch.