Securely Expose your Homelab Services with Mutual TLS - YouTube

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• napkin2020@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  mTLS is so cool, until you find out that almost no clients support it.

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  • WhyAUsername_1@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Immich supports it.

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• daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I tried long ago, but as they said, client side authentication is an issue, most clients do not support it.

  I have a system, I use wireguard vpn and for when I want to use a domain name with proper tls (because some client apps require a proper tls connection to work) I set my caddy reverse proxy to only accept request from localhost.

  So, there’s a public domain with let’s encrypt TLS, and that domain can only be properly access from local network. Then I connect using vpn to my local network and the client app can access the service over a CA verified TLS.

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  • zqps@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    From localhost? Did you mean from local network or am I misunderstanding your point here?

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    • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, local network I meant.

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  • napkin2020@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I set my caddy reverse proxy to only accept request from localhost.

    It is a bit more involved but you can actually get a proper cert for localhost stuff, with your domain pointing to an internal ip addr and not risk exposing your public ip and having to open a port.

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    • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Signed by a AC?

      I had a lot of issues with some apps not allowing self-signed certificates and the app used their own list of allowed AC or something, I was unable to make it allow my own certificates even adding my own root certificate to Android.

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• Lem453@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I didn’t know what this was until now. It seems like the beta bitwarden app supports this. Would be interesting to get it setup for that.

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• tinsuke@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Tried it and it was a breeze to set it up with Caddy!

  Problem was… lack of client side support, specially on mobile.

  Many (most?) client apps don’t support it.

  Use the PWA from your browser, you said? I hope you like Google and using Chrome, because Firefox for Android doesn’t support it 😭

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  • dataprolet@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Firefox for Android partially supports PWAs.

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    • tinsuke@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oh, I meant mutual TLS by “it”. Edited.

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  • MysteriousSophon21@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The client cert management is the biggest hurdle with mTLS - I’ve found using a YubiKey to store certs makes it wayy more portable across devices, tho still doesn’t solve the mobile app support issue.

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  • antithetical@lemmy.deedium.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I was curious so I looked it up… But it should technically work on FF for Android, although there is a bug in the UI.

    See:

    • connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/…/176

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    • tinsuke@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s no bug, mTLS just isn’t implemented on Firefox currently.

      There are 2 proposed solutions on that thread:

      1. It was possible on old versions of FF, but not the current ones. I believe this to be related to the versions prior to the revamp that happened circa 2020. (the author refers to a version that was already “old” by 2022). So it was something supported on OG Firefox, not not on the new (current, by 5 years already) version.
      2. Using the debug menu’s secret settings to enable “Use third party CA certificates”. This is available on current FF, but that’s no mutual TLS. It is about allowing CA certificates that you installed yourself on your device for server TLS auth.

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• dan@upvote.au ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I haven’t watched the video yet, but it’s generally not worth using mutual TLS if you’re already using a peer-to-peer VPN like Tailscale, as the VPN software is already doing mutual authentication.

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  • Netrunner@programming.dev ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The whole point of mTLS is that you dont need to use a VPN

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    • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      that’s not that same security. an observer will still know that you are connecting over HTTPS to a particular doman/IP, maybe they can also deduce that you are using mTLS, and all your other traffic is not protected by it at all. all the while with wireguard, they can see that it’s wireguard traffic, and where it goes, but anything inside is secret, plus if an app uses unencrypted traffic for some reason (smb, dns, custom and special protocols), wireguard will hide and protect that too.

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    • dan@upvote.au ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I get that, but a lot of people are already using a VPN to access their home server or VPS.

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  • antithetical@lemmy.deedium.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is only true for the connection security. With mTLS you can also authenticate to the webapplication you’re trying to reach. So consider your use-case between von/mtls.

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    • dan@upvote.au ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oh yeah that’s a great point I didn’t consider. Thanks.

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