Foldable solar panels

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net⁩ to ⁨energy@slrpnk.net⁩

Hey, question for some solar panel expert.

Would it be possible to create a solar panel in the form of foil? I know flexible panels exists but I’ve only seen ones embedded in plastic like this:

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Is the plastic somehow necessary for power generation or could the solar panel layer be sprayed directly on some sort of foil?

Or to put it another way: how densely could we pack a solar panel if we didn’t care that much about durability?

Let’s say I just want something that will last a month and maybe 100 unfolding-folding cycles. Would it be possible to fit it a box like this:

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MrMakabar@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
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powerfilmsolar.com/…/14-watt-rollable-solar-panel

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- ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  That’s very close but I wonder if we can go even farther. Basically I saw people doing this:
  
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  but obviously if you look at the numbers you have to stop for hours to charge your bike and even with flexible panels you need some sort of a cart to carry them. This is because we need some durability but what if I’m only interested in single trip? Couple weeks, maybe a month. Would it be possible to make an ultra light panel that can charge my bike in let’s say an hour?
  
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  - RedCarCastle@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Whats your goal here? Are you planning to ride around the country on like an electric mountain bike or something? Im not sure you’ll get a compact solar panel that can change a battery in an hour, my panles on my house can only put out 250watts, 50v at 5 amps in full sun, at a brief glance and some dodgy math it would still take 2-3 hours to change an e-bike battery
    
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  - MrMakabar@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    They have different size on the website, but it really depends on how large your bicycle battery is. The largest one is 60W and ways 1.7kg. A small bicycle like that might have 300Wh or so. Since you probably just lay them on the ground and they are not 100% efficent anyway with charging you need 10 solar panels or so to charge your bicycle up within an hour.
    
    If you want it for a cycle trip, then you are probably better of having a fixed panel on a trailer. That way you can charge during the trip and non flexible panels are much more efficent. You end up with something like these.
    
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Cort@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I think they do make what you’re asking for, but they’re not great.

Printed solar panels exist, and are super light weight, but they’re only 10% as efficient as regular panels so you need 10x surface area to produce the same amount of electricity

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- ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Thanks, I haven’t checked printed panels. I will take a look.
  
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Starfighter@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Not an expert. This has been done quite successfully for space applications. Granted they are only required to roll out once but they have to do so with near perfect reliability. There are quite a few makes and models but I’ll reference the ones currently mounted on the ISS because you’ve probably seen pictures of them.

Their patent states that they use polymeric sheets or fiberglass meshes as a backing material.

Here they are in their packed up state. Image

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NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
If strength and weight wasn’t an issue then compact folding is entirely possible, considering how they’ve been using foldable solar panels on satellites since the early days of spaceflight

A rolled panel however would have to use very thin and small cells, which would be less efficient

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RedCarCastle@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I’m not an expert either, I don’t think the plastic is crucial to power generation performance, how ever I don’t know what else would give good flexibility without electrical conductivness, eg if you had a alloy foil backing and somehow the panel got damaged you could potentially have the whole thing become energized and whatever it’s stuck to, in saying that perhaps a rubber mat backing or some kind insulated cloth would be the way to go,

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shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I have a tiny one that rolls up, and that tech is from 15-20 years back. Got it from funding a Kickstarter. Don’t know how those guys made out.

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