How do you accurately characterize your printer though? No two printers will behave exactly the same.
3D Printer Simulator could take the guesswork out of printing — Virtual 3D printer mirrors physical machine's quirks, like stringing, supports multi-color printing
Submitted 1 week ago by cm0002@lemmy.world to 3dprinting@lemmy.world
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cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 week ago
finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
I think this will ultimately fall into the same category as watching a simukated CAM toolpath before running CNC machining operations- it will catch the more obvious mistakes like unsupported surfaces, but won’t be useful at catching more subtle issues caused by specific idiosyncrasies of the machine or material.
rklm@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
This was my first concern as well… Although I suppose you could do some test prints to collect values to change the simulation.
If I were printing something really big, I’d probably run a sim first even if it were inaccurate, just to see if there is an obvious problem.
I’m not sure this would help new people much though, since you’d have to be very familiar with your printer/printing to use a simulation anyway.
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 1 week ago
But, does it accurately simulate PLA spaghetti?
Zahille7@lemmy.world 1 week ago
It was only a matter of time until something like this happened.
Unironically though, this could be helpful for a lot of people.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
I honestly think it’s more of a gimmick than anything because no two identical printers will run exactly the same and there’s no way for it to accurately account for filament issues like poor quality plastic or moisture content. I can’t see it being any more accurate than basic guidance or real general things to watch out for like printing overhangs without supports.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 week ago
This. My print properties change with ambient humidity, temperature, and with how long ago I last dried my filament.
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 1 week ago
The printers themselves should run a simulation like this while they’re printing, and continually check if heat sensors, motor resistance, etc. are deviating from the simulation. That might let them detect potential misprints earlier—or even correct issues mid-print.
finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
The thing is, running a simulation is a pretty inefficient way to do this. Until relatively recently, most printers lacked the computational bandwidth to run a simulation in parallel with active control (my ender 3 back in 2018 didn’t even have the capacity to enable all features if you wanted a leveling probe). Even now, you wouldn’t want to run this on the same hardware that’s actually controlling the machine, since the simulation would delay its ability to send control signals in real time. That’s why Klipper uses a secondary control board, it offloads the extra computation to ensure the primary controller only has to compute the bare minimum to operate with as minimal a delay as possible.
Also, a parallel simulation just isn’t necessarily the most efficient way to catch issues. Thermal control accuracy has been a focus in the printing community at least since Anet A8 printers were burning down people’s homes, and we’re pretty good at preventing thermal runway these days.
On the motor side, the accuracy issues are largely a result of an open loop control system- The steppers have no way of telling the controller that they moved the correct amount. Thus, a simulation wouldn’t help with positional accuracy since the board has no idea if a motor misses a step anyway. There are some mitigating tools like stallguard for load sending, but it’s not really the same thing.
IMALlama@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Adding encoders to your steppers, or buying stepper motors with built in encoders, can help a lot but it’s not a cheap solution. It can also be a bit bulky, so packaging them a printer not designed for them can be tricky.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
My Bambu X1C will do both of these and tell you when it’s time to lube the Z axis screws for example, but I think all printers will shut down if the thermistor (what measures the heat) is reading incorrectly due to it being bad or a problem with the extruder heater since not doing so could be catastrophic rather than just giving you a shitty quality print.
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I’m not familiar with how the X1C does it, but the printers I’ve used can only tell if the temperature or resistance are outside of normal operating range—not if they differ from the exact values predicted at each point in the print.