Is it any service that includes the ability to federate? If so, are Matrix/XMPP/other non-ActivityPub services part of the Fediverse, or does Fediverse really just mean ActivityPub?
The context is wanting to promote a Matrix chat room on discuss.online: #online.discuss:discuss.online (see post). Does it belong in Lemmy communities like this one, !fedigrow@lemm.ee, etc? Or does it not count as part of the Fediverse?
ExtravagantEnzyme@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
So, the term Fediverse basically refers to the ActivityPub protocol and the associated server software. Technically, it’s not just ActivityPub, but also the AT protocol and nostr. But another layer to the Fediverse, at least in my mind, is having some federation. Meaning Bluesky isn’t apart of the Fediverse, even though it’s built on the AT Protocol, because of it’s isolation. Since there’s no interaction with Lemmy, Mastodon, PixelFed, or other federated social networks, it’s not part of the Fediverse.
breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
I think that ATP and nostr are sometimes included as part of the Fediverse because they both have bridges that allow connection. Without the bridges they’re isolated.
Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
ATP still requires millions to host a relay theverge.com/…/free-our-feeds-social-media-ecosys…
poVoq@slrpnk.net 5 weeks ago
XMPP also has a working ActivityPub bridge. But I think at some point these bridges are a bridge too far.
Software like Friendica or Hubzilla that can speak multiple protocols including AP are clearly part of the Fediverse, but things that need 3rd party bridges IMHO are not, as the creators clearly do no intend them to be part of it. Otherwise Xhitter would be also part of the Fediverse as bridges exist(ed in the past at least).
m_f@discuss.online 5 weeks ago
It seems like you’d say that Matrix isn’t included? It’s not ActivityPub/AT/nostr
frisbeedude@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
Matrix is not federated, is has nothing to do with the whole ActivityThing. They are two separate universes. Maybe there are bridges that I don’t know of, but eseentially they are not interconnected.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 4 weeks ago
“federation” implies deep interconnect, a “bridge” on the otherhand is an artificial architecture of connection along narrow fragile terms.
Just because you build a bridge to the fediverse doesn’t mean you are really part of the vibrant, free core of the fediverse city center, you are just mooching out or at best trying to arrange an alliance.
When two things federate on the fediverse it is like there being two cool places in a city where there are a million different ways to connect those two places together, often in surprising and novel ways that people didn’t necessarily see.
A city of bridges is not a city.
So like, cool Bluesky has a bridge here now, I hope it doesn’t get knocked out by a freak act of nature I mean enshittification…