In what way(s) are my observations wrong?

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• Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  • Labels allow expedient understanding of a philosophy, concept, belief system, etc. They’re not pointless.
    • If you want to agree upon a definition of a label, you have to start by asking people what they mean and then go back and forth until you agree what “Label N” means. Otherwise, you’re just talking past each other.
  • Seems fine to me. I call them fascists, because they seem to believe in extreme government control of the population, jingoism and territorial expansion, religious indoctrination, cult worship of the leader, suppression of speech, and “othering” minorities in pursuit of power.
  • See my above point about religious indoctrination and cult worship. The in-group lingo signals to the group that you’re supposed to get mad about the thing without question; questioning might get you cast out from the group.
  • Not true. There’s lots of podcasters, for example, who check their facts and aren’t merely propaganda (Knowledge Fight is a great example). At best, you can say "many."
  • How you decide to define the word “Christian” is subjective. Lots of the MAGA types would also consider themselves "followers of Christ."
    • If Christians don’t want to be saddled with the ugly behavior of some of their adherents, they need to come together and agree upon a new label, either for themselves or for the ones they are rejecting.

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  • TxTechnician@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Labels allow expedient understanding of a philosophy, concept, belief system, etc. They’re not pointless.

    I need to clarify what I mean by this.

    In the context of what I am thinking about the use of labels, I mean whenever people use labels to describe their out group, they use them as a dismissive tool.

    For example, if you are not 100% pro-Trump and you say anything negative about Trump or his administration to somebody who has died in the wool, they will call you a liberal.

    It has gotten to the point where anything that you say will get you labeled as woke or a liberal. So long as it is something that goes against magga and Christian nationalism.

    Therefore, the political term liberal is all but meaningless.

    Because it doesn’t hold a unified definition across the aisles.

    Besides this, political labels as a whole are mostly bullshit because people use them to describe themselves as being part of a group. But whenever you question them as an individual, you find out that they don’t align with a lot of the shit that other people who use that political label ascribe to.

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    • Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      First of all, let me say that I think it’s great how you’re dissecting all of this.

      It has gotten to the point where anything that you say will get you labeled as woke or a liberal.

      You might enjoy this video: youtu.be/v2QGME8KHzY

      He talks a lot about that idea in a very thoughtful way.

      Because it doesn’t hold a unified definition across the aisles.

      Besides this, political labels as a whole are mostly bullshit because people use them to describe themselves as being part of a group.

      This is, unfortunately, not an accident. First it was “the Commies,” then “the Gays,” then “the occult,” then the Liberals, then the “trans people,” then the “groomers,” and then, and then… The people in charge right now know exactly what they did and what they’re doing: shortcutting people’s ability to reason.

      This is common in religious cults and other abuse structures. It’s also no accident that fundamentalist religion is a major component of a lot of MAGA, since it already primes people not to question anything their leaders say.

      Until facts once again matter more than what our favorite political/billionaire celebrities say, they’ll continue to weaponize our worst impulses against us. Recognizing that you deserve to think for yourself is the first step in resisting.

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• Lupus@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  • Political labels are pointless. Because the meaning changes depending on the perspective of the person giving the definition.

  Words do have meaning, political labels included, changing meaning of them depending on the context is usually a sign of dishonest arguments. ‘Left’, ‘right’, ‘progessive’ ’ conservative’ and the like are defined terms that carry meaning. People trying to change those are most often trying to shift the perception of reality, for example calling Hitler ’ left wing’ is clearly revisionist nonsense trying to white wash their own agenda.

  • “Conservatives” ala Donald Trump, MAGA, Ted Cruz. Would be better described as "Regressives ". (Because they pine for time that didn’t really exist in the 20th Century).

  From Wikipedia: Conservatism has varied considerably as it has adapted itself to existing traditions and national cultures.[…] Conservatism may be either libertarian or authoritarian,[14] populist or elitist,[15] progressive or reactionary,[16] moderate or extreme.[17]

  Simply put ‘Conservative’ is just the family name, the currently governing conservative flavor in the US you could call regressive, true, but in other areas of the world you might not.

  • Dismissive terms are all that you need to sway the opinion of a trumper (call something “woke” and BAM!. You’ve convinced them.).

  No argument here. Punchlines are always easy especially if they meet frustrated minds.

  • All USA media talking heads (specifically talking about podcasters and news shows, not talking about non verbal). Are propaganda which its users are addicted to. (Outrage addiction)

  It’s a lot more complicated than that I’d say, but a lot of it fits the description, fair enough.

  • The word “Christian” is now synonymous with hate and bigotry. I’ve made the distinction to now call people who are religious (Christianity) “Followers of Christ”.

  Similar to the first point ‘Christian’ is just the family name, I think what you’re trying to describe are ‘Christian nationalists’, with emphasis on nationalist.

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  • TxTechnician@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Similar to the first point ‘Christian’ is just the family name, I think what you’re trying to describe are ‘Christian nationalists’, with emphasis on nationalist.

    OK that’s right. I suppose it’s better to describe them as Christian nationalist rather than giving up the word.

    But that doesn’t dissuade from the fact that Christian now has a horrible smell about it.

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