Day 2984783 of mentally substituting “enshittification” with “rot”
Pluralistic: Bluesky and enshittification (02 Nov 2024) Cory Doctorow
Submitted 5 months ago by ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net to technology@lemmy.world
https://pluralistic.net/2024/11/02/ulysses-pact/#tie-yourself-to-a-federated-mast
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Feathercrown@lemmy.world 5 months ago
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 5 months ago
Enshittification is specifically how something inevitably gets worse and more anti-consumer due to pressures from capitalism/shareholders/profit incentive.
Rot, at least in my mind, is not that specific. It could mean the codebase is not well maintained and slowly failing, as an example.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yes, that’s true, but the word sounds bad so I’m using the more fun one
BlazarNGC@lemm.ee 5 months ago
All hail NOSTR protocol 🫡
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Meh
iopq@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s even less cost to switch it there’s nothing to switch
Telorand@reddthat.com 5 months ago
That’s why some people just create their own instances.
LEVI@feddit.org 5 months ago
It’s very promising, but I find it confusing
PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 5 months ago
Cool. Look at that. It’s the daily Bluesky post. Is it my turn tomorrow?
BatmanAoD@lemmy.world 5 months ago
What is actually missing from AT Proto to be usable in the way Doctorow describes? He writes:
Bluesky lacks the one federated feature that is absolutely necessary for me to trust it: the ability to leave Bluesky and go to another host and continue to talk to the people I’ve entered into community with there. While there are many independently maintained servers that provide services to Bluesky and its users, there is only one Bluesky server. A federation of multiple servers, each a peer to the other, has been on Bluesky’s roadmap for as long as I’ve been following it, but they haven’t (yet) delivered it.
But according to the source code repo, federation features are fully available, including independent servers. There’s even a guide for setting up an independent server: atproto.com/guides/self-hosting
TORFdot0@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I’ve read over the documentation a few times and maybe I’ve missed it somewhere else but I’m not aware of any option to host a relay yet. As far as I know only self hosting PDS’s are an option now (which only handle your own data and authentication but still relies on a relay to serve you content from the rest of the network) and app views (which are the front ends that sort and show content)
So in a sense bluesky is distributed and portable within the ATProto network, but still centralized until other entities can host relays and interopt (or opt out of interoperability) within the network.
BatmanAoD@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Here’s a post on how to set up a relay: whtwnd.com/…/Notes on Running a Full-Network atpr…
i_understand@mstdn.social 5 months ago
How many relays are there?
BatmanAoD@lemmy.world 5 months ago
…how is it Bluesky’s responsibility to set up an independent server? If they’re the ones that set up the server, how can it be independent?
Doctorow’s complaint only makes sense as a critique of Bluesky itself if he’s talking about the technical aspects of AT Proto. If what he really means is just “nobody has bothered to actually deploy and maintain a fully separate relay instance”, that’s not a problem with Bluesky, it’s an ecosystem issue that he could help by encouraging people to do that work, rather than discouraging them from learning about the platform.
I honestly don’t have much stake in this fight, I’m just frustrated that, as far as I can tell, Doctorow, an intelligent person with a nontrivial following, appears to be spreading misinformation about what is or isn’t possible with Bluesky.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Sticking your neck out always has the risk of having your head lopped off. But if you never stick it out there you don’t see the light
HarbingerOfTomb@lemmy.world 5 months ago
If you want people other than nerds in niche communities to care about this, you’re going to have to start calling it something else.
GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Trump is president elect of the USA and you think the problem to this issue’s path to visibility is political correctness?
Call it fuckification if it gets clicks and attention, this is the USA. They vote for trash, speak their language.
HarbingerOfTomb@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Has nothing to do with it being PC or not, it has to do with the term ‘enshittification’ not explaining jack shit.
WeUnite@lemm.ee 5 months ago
The concerns are true but if people leave Twitter for Bluesky it’s still an improvement because Elon uses the algorithm to boost far-right content and he has your data.