btrfs drive replacement

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• poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is a good guide: wiki.tnonline.net/w/Btrfs/Replacing_a_disk

  Usually you want to replace drives before they fail (SMART monitoring will give you ample warning in most cases). The it is better to have an additional free SATA port to turn the failing raid temporarily into a three-way raid and use the btrfs built-in function to replace the disk in situ.

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• eco_game@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Could I purchase two different brand drives and use them with btrfs?

  I don’t quite remember the source for this, but I believe I read some time ago that it’s actually a good thing to have separate drives. The reasoning is, if you buy two identical drives (at the same time), the likelyhood of both drives failing around the samd time is severely higher.

  This is then amplified by the fact that rebuilding a RAID puts a lot of strain on the non-dead drive, so if ie. drive 1 dies and drive 2 is about to die, the strain you put on drive 2 in order to rebuild your RAID onto drive 3 might kill drive 2 before you even finish rebuilding your RAID.

  Again, this is just from my memory, it might be worth doing some more research on.

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  • WbrJr@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I have read the same, but also read it is not very true anymore, specially with dedicated server drives. I would not worried too much about it honestly

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  • mal3oon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    if you buy two identical drives (at the same time), the likelyhood of both drives failing around the same time is severely higher.

    I need sources, this sounds extremely unlikely. That’s basically 2 "independent” probabilities.

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    • tobogganablaze@lemmus.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The reasoning is that drives are produced and shipped in batches and if you order multiple at onces there is a higher chance you’ll get drives from the same batch. If that batch had some fault during production or it was damaged during shipping, all your drives might be affected.

      I don’t have a source, but it’s something a lot of expirenced people have mentioned to me.

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• Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:

  Fewer Letters	More Letters
  NAS	Network-Attached Storage
  RAID	Redundant Array of Independent Disks for mass storage
  ZFS	Solaris/Linux filesystem focusing on data integrity

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• floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is btrfs RAID stable yet? This article is three years old, so maybe things have improved, but it contains some pretty strong warnings about the dangers of btrfs RAID:

  arstechnica.com/…/examining-btrfs-linuxs-perpetua…

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  • OhYeah@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I believe it’s only RAID 5 and 6 that are unstable, btrfs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/btrfs-man5.html#ra…

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  • poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Mirror (raid1) btrfs raids are fine and are more convenient anyways.

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  • czardestructo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Been using it for over a year on two 8tb SSDs in strip and 14tb as mirror. This is on Debian and its flawless and wonderful. I run btrkbk hourly for snapshots, backups to remote locations and house keeping with 6 months of hourly snaps. Life is great.

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• tobogganablaze@lemmus.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My first question is about different drives. Could I purchase two different brand drives and use them with btrfs? (I assume yes)

  Yo can.

  2nd question: how does the replacement process go? Like if drive A died, so I remove it, and put a brand new replacement in. What do I have to do with btrfs to get the raid 1 back going? Any links or guides would be amazing.

  Depends on what NAS/Software you have. If your NAS supports hot-swaps you can just pull out the defective drive and plug in another. Otherwise you’ll have to shut it down, swap the drive and turn it back on.

  If you have already have the spare drive read and you have slots availible, you can even run a “hot spare”. This way you can even start the raid rebuild if you’re not physically near your NAS (like when a drive fails while you’re on holiday or sm).

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  • Dust0741@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Hm okay. I was thinking of using Debian and likely a 4 bay case.

    So the process for a dead HDD: Power off. Pull out dead drive and replace. Power on. Now what? Does Debian/a specific motherboard support auto rebuilding the raid 1? Or what are the commands to rebuild?

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    • Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Btrfs has it’s own build-in raid. From what I understand you should mount the filesystem with -o degraded and then use btrfs replace to switch to the new drive. I’ve never had to do that myself yet though.

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    • tobogganablaze@lemmus.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m using Synology/DMS and there you have a pretty neat GUI that lists newly detected drives and from there you can assign them to your storage pool and rebuild the raid. I’d expect it to be quite similar on software like TrueNAS.

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• hjpoijnerflkjn@feddit.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Just if somebody else needs this for ZFS: blog.juhefa.de/posts/zfs-replace-disk/

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• possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It is better to have more drives and less apares. However, btrfs is only stable in raid 1. With data that big I would go ZFS raidz2 as you can lose up to 2 drives.

  From a btrfs perspective it is pretty easy as you just can run btrfs replace with the path of the new drive. Btrfs also has the benefit of being native

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• theit8514@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  In days past some drive vendors had different sector layouts for drives and would cause issues with raid. Pretty sure most nowadays are all the same layout and you won’t run into any issues. I still look to get the same drive model anyways just to be perfectly sure that there are no issues.

  Even then you may run into weird issues like one of my 1.2 TB enterprise ssd drives was reporting 1.12 TiB rather than 1.09 TiB the other 7 drives had. TrueNas refused to build a vdev with that drive and I had to return it to get a new one.

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