Anyone know what 'natural flavours' means on label packaging?

Submitted ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Fluid@aussie.zone⁩ to ⁨australia@aussie.zone⁩

These words appear on almost all food labels these days, but they are kind of meaningless. Take something like those flavoured waters, “ingredients: water, flavour”. They taste amazing, there’s definitely a bunch of ‘stuff’ in there, but they don’t tell us what it is on the label?

I thought we used to have number codes for additives and what-not that they had to disclose so we knew what was in it. Did the food labelling laws change somehow? Or are these new additives something different which can just hide behind the word ‘flavour’? Genuinely curious if anyone has some idea, there doesn’t seem to be any explanations on the food standards website…

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bestusername@aussie.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It’s probably a trade off between telling you what it really is and protecting IP.

Also, do you really want to know natural flavour could be smashed beatle anus?

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- zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yes, I would really like to be able to avoid animal products in food and natural flavors doesn’t give me enough information to do so.
  
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  - bestusername@aussie.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Even the strictest vegan eats about kilo of bugs ever year; there’s far bigger things to worry about in life.
    
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- icerunner_origin@startrek.website ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Uranium is natural. Not sure what it tastes like. Perhaps someone would be kind enough to report back.
  
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  - BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Image Got yer back, yo
    
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  - bestusername@aussie.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Sure, if it’s not a known allergen/high risk, why would a company risk their IP.
    
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- SpicyLizards@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It sounds like it could be sold for a high price at a gastro restaurant.
  
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  Course 7 Foam of beetle anus
  
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- voracitude@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Also, do you really want to know natural flavour could be smashed beatle anus?
  
  Poor Ringo…
  
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- Salvo@aussie.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Not too far from the truth.
  
  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmine
  
  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shellac
  
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bhamlin@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
So, in the US, there are two categories of flavorings. There is “natural” and “artificial” and the ancient war between them is quite a story.

All this started when people started to learn about what made things taste and smell like other things. All of this made growers of difficult foods very nervous. Why buy these strawberries that are weather sensitive and expensive to harvest when you can just synthesize the chemicals that make things taste like strawberry! So the lobbyists weighed in.

The compromise was that foods flavored with actual organic compounds were called “natural” while those that just used the chemicals would be called “artificial.” This led to some interesting issues. Some natural flavors are actually dangerous to use. Apple seeds have heavy metals in them. It’s tough to make sure when processing apples that you don’t crush the seeds, or you might end up with arsenic (I think?) in your output, and at industrial scale you’d be concentrating it. So you have some flavors that are very expensive and hard to get safely, that it’s easier to get with a safe chemical synthesis.

In short, there’s not and functional difference between natural and artificial flavors. They’re largely identical except in how they’ve been acquired to add to your food. And as a bonus, “natural” was chosen intentionally as the name to cause a panic when looking at labeling because “good heavens what is artificial flavoring! I can’t feed that to my child! It must be unnatural and dangerous!”

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- Fluid@aussie.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Thanks. I guess I’m still curious. One would think there is more nutrition from consuming, say, a peach extract made from grown peaches, over an artificial representation of one though, surely?
  
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seedoubleyou@infosec.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
bugs, since its plausible for mass manufacturing that a fly or two may have fallen into the vat, they have to list it as an ingredient, and “natural flavors” sells better than “bugs”

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Zeppo@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It’s stuff like essential oils and other extracts.

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- Fluid@aussie.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yeh I guess so, but why not just say that?
  
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  - bestusername@aussie.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Said it in my other reply, intellectual property, Coke for example don’t what to list all the ingredients.
    
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  - Zeppo@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Same reasons there are other similar terms like “spices”. They don’t want to give away their recipes.
    
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- Salvo@aussie.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The term “essential oils” is both a valid description and a marketing gimmick.
  
  You have heard of “vanilla essence” and “orange essence”. It is basically an oil that is derived from a foodstuff to extract the essence or flavour.
  
  Marketers love the phrase because the ignorant plebeians interpret to mean that they are required (essential) for human survival.
  
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breadsmasher@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
(UK here)

Natural flavours as I understand are derived from an actual, natural thing. A “strawberry juice drink” containing all natural flavours for example, might actually mean “90% apple juice, 5% strawberry juice, 5% water”

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Reddfugee42@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
What did Google return? We’ll fill in the gaps.

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yoz@aussie.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Never really thought about this but I think its stiff like OJ, apple juice etc

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- Baku@aussie.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Probably not. “Natural” anything tends to be some sort of fine powder from either a bug or plant/flower. Most people don’t really care if you tell them there’s “Food additive (natural flavouring) E120” but get all up in arms when you write “dried bug carcass”
  
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  - yoz@aussie.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Wtf man
    
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- Daxtron2@startrek.website ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Hahahaha
  
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