Comment on Russian missiles strike more than half of Ukraine's regions
GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 2 months agoI actually agree with it in this case that excluding what Russia has said about this is silly at best, but Media Bias Fact Check-style websites aren’t actually free of bias, they are just question-begging a certain paradigm.
Like, if an article covering the US election only mentioned what Republicans have to say, that doesn’t mean the only other viewpoint it needs is what Democrats have to say; there is more to an issue than what the two most influential parties have to say, but to say that you need those two perspectives while not advocating for the Greens or, say, one of the communist parties, is already assuming many different positions on foreign intervention, environmental policy, and so on, where the two parties mostly agree.
Likewise, depending on where it is, there are various popular groups throughout Ukraine and Russia that might have a substantially different perspective that is closer to the truth.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Hence, me including SpinScore link to the articles I post. Not only it evaluates each article content and not the site, but it also removes human bias element from the equation.
Alaskaball@hexbear.net 2 months ago
Those glorified chatbots don’t fall out of coconut trees, the fact that their very existence was designed by human hands explicitly blends human bias into them.
The belief in unbiasness is a form of ethereal idealism that is unattached to material reality and willing faith in its ephemeral existence blinds the individual to biases that disguise itself as anything but.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Your generalizations aren’t helpful. I’m not even sure to understand how it works based on your comment.
If you want to say that SpinScore is a bad tool, you will need to provide some examples.
boboblaw@hexbear.net 2 months ago
It’s not that it’s a bad tool, it’s that
is an impossible standard.
MaeBorowski@hexbear.net 2 months ago
That is not possible, and to pretend that it is is itself a significant bias.
Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 2 months ago
“the thing humans programmed is TOTALLY free of human bias!”
… Said no rational intelligent person who is capable of critical thinking.
GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 2 months ago
I don’t know how to explain to you that perspective is a problem that can’t be escaped by using machines. It’s like using video in place of vision; yeah, there are obviously plenty of cases where it’s helpful for a specific task, but fundamentally you are going from using a human to using something made by humans. From what I can glean immediately, this thing gets its idea of the “truth” from what is published on major new sites, like PBS, NYT, and such. As a result, what it can “verify” from circular citation becomes what is “true.” In essence, it is a media consensus machine with some basic reading comprehension thrown in for people who can’t read English well enough to determine if a statement is, for example, an expression of the authors feelings or a statement on facts of the world.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
It’s not perfect, but it’s better than anything else on the out there. Using your own brain will always be required, no tool will ever change that.
And fact is not subjective, opinion is, and you seem to lump them together. And it uses primary sources for information verification, and those tend to be major outlets purely due to their size. Nobody else can afford to monitor all the governments, companies, and other official bodies and report about them.
GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 2 months ago
You say this about the comment in which I say:
Not to mention that “whether something is a fact or not” or, more commonly, “what is the most likely explanation for what we are seeing,” is typically not something you have practical access to, which is why you are reading about it, so what you are left with is not metaphysical truth, but testimony, which is very corruptible. I don’t just mean this as a hypothetical, I mean that most outlets engage in an aggressive battle over a small minority of mostly-social subjects while operating in complete or near-complete agreement on many important topics.
But even if we want to sidestep the issue of testimony mediating our access to metaphysical truth, there is still the question of which facts to include.
Low-hanging fruit:
latimes.com/…/clinton-dnc-speech-harris-endorseme…
ctrl+f “epstein”: 0
spinscore.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2…
ctrl+f “epstein”: 0
Seems like it’s missing important information that it could at least mention in passing about the subject of the piece, but maybe that’s just me. I guess it’s all relative.
Like I alluded to in mentioning “circular citation”, very often news organizations aren’t doing anything resembling original research in their articles. They are just publishing what other articles already said.
But you are still missing that this is question-begging the correctness of the media, even though they have over and over been shown to be quite willing to work together to push atrocity propaganda and all kinds of nonsense.