Comment on Is Telegram really an encrypted messaging app?

• sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If you have to enable it every time, it’s complicated enough that most people won’t bother. Maybe they’ll do it once or twice out of novelty, but it’s not going to become a habit.

  I only consider something “encrypted” if it’s actually encrypted by default, or at least prompts to enable it permanently on first launch. Otherwise, it’s not an “encrypted” chat, it just has the option to have some chats encrypted.

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  • asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    annoying != complicated

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    • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      More steps required to perform something is very squarely within the definition of complicated, no matter how straightforward those steps are.

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  • woelkchen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If you have to enable it every time, it’s complicated

    But you don’t. As I already explained: secret chats stay in the messages list, so you can go back to an initiated secret chat and pick up there without any additional fiddling.

    I have plenty of encrypted chats that I don’t have to enable every time I want to send one. I don’t understand where this misconception comes from.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Surely you talk to more than one or two people, no? If you have to manually check a box or something every time you start a new message with someone, people are going to stop doing it.

      It’s not an encrypted chat app. It’s an unencrypted chat app that has an option for encrypted chats. Whether something is encrypted or not depends on how most people use it and what the defaults are.

      Signal is an encrypted chat app. E2EE is the default and AFAIK only behavior. Telegram can be encrypted, but it’s not by default, and defaults matter.

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      • woelkchen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Surely you talk to more than one or two people, no? If you have to manually check a box or something every time you start a new message with someone, people are going to stop doing it.

        Maybe you get acquainted to 100 new people every day, so your day is a constant chore of starting secret chats all the time. I don’t. I doubt regular people do. Just start the secret chat once and then pick it up later.

        Signal is an encrypted chat app.

        Except for the locally stored data which is not encrypted and Signal’s attitude is that device encryption is up to the user.

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• brrt@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Is it more complicated to achieve than in other e2ee messengers? Yes, thus saying it is complicated is justified.

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