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Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months agoI am a liberal in the U.S sense. Not a leftist, nor a democrat, and certainly not a nazi.
I really bristle at the notion that there’s no room between liberals that want revolution, and party-line toting democrats.
There are literally dozens of liberals who don’t view the Democratic Party as representing them, but also aren’t all that interested what happens under Christian fascism if normal people don’t vote, or corporate takeover if the people overthrow the government. (Because, after the military, only large corporations have the organization, capital, and manpower to direct society - and they would, if given the chance.)
ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 2 months ago
unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
First, I appreciate your reference to literal dozens of liberals. 😁
Second, you’re right that most liberals don’t want revolution. Non-liberals too, for the most part! Unfortunately, in some corners of Lemmy, such as Hexbear or Lemmygrad, the ability to distinguish and discuss nuance is not included in what I would describe as their “community values”.
If you’re looking for a constructive discussion about policy issues, you’re barking up the wrong tree. Alternatively, if you prefer to discuss everything in terms of absolutes, and you love China and tanks, it could be a great time.
SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 2 months ago
Unfortunately, in some corners of Lemmy, such as Hexbear or Lemmygrad, the ability to distinguish and discuss nuance is not included in what I would describe as their “community values”.
But I’m standing right here… Making a nearly identical comment to yours
unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
You’re standing right here, on Lemmy.zip, not on your home instance, and the comment I was responding to was a response to a different Hexbear user who was literally saying that there is no difference between liberals and Nazis.
If I meant to reply to your comment, I would have done that.
It was incredibly jarring when I first got to Lemmy and started running into nutjobs who seem to be on some sort of crusade, spouting ideas so far out of touch that they’re either straight up trolling or they are state propaganda assets from a western adversary. Sometimes when people ask where these people are coming from, I like to provide something of an orientation, as the community will never survive off of nutjobs alone.
SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 2 months ago
You’re missing my point.
I know full well where I’m posting. You’re talking about the importance of nuance, while painting all Hexbear users as somekind of monolithic hivemind.
Meanwhile, I a humble Hexbear user, am trying to ask a user from another instance, in good faith, to explain their ideological position in more depth. Because I earnestly want to know.
If you want to probe the “liberal=fascist” sentiment, we can. But that’s not the discussion I’m trying to have here.
You’re the pot calling the kettle black, my friend.
SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 2 months ago
If I may, can you clarify what you mean by
In US political parlance, Liberal is typically synonymous with Democrats, and a broad, ill defined, ‘left’ of the political spectrum.
Outside the US, and in much of political science, liberal denotes a broadly centrist, status quo position, that can be left or right leaning.
And in neither of those definitions do liberals ‘want revolution’. At least not in the way that my fellow commies on Hexbear might typically conceive of it.
Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
I have twice typed up huge novels and deleted them.
The very, very simple answer to your question is that I do not think the Democratic Party is liberal. They are a centrist party that pretends to encompass the left because U.S. election law is set up in such a way that only two parties can prevail at a national level.
The why? Those are the novels I keep writing - Election law/electoral finance laws and money. The parties won’t fix the laws, and money skews right. Thus, even the ‘left’ party is in the center.
I say I’m liberal because that’s where I fit with the understanding I have. I did stipulate a U.S. liberal, because - the ‘spectrum’ has always been understood by me to be roughly defined left to right as revolutionaries, liberals, centrists, conservatives, and reactionaries.
Reduced even further, it’s just left, center, right. Liberal, centrist, conservative.
Because I view liberals as separate from centrists, and the Democratic Party as centrist, I don’t view them as encompassing my beliefs. (And, there are a number of actions they’ve taken or not taken that run contrary to my beliefs, too.)
I think that I overlap with leftists on about 90% of views, honestly, but I’ve been attacked and told I support genocide in leftist communities when literally the only thing someone knows about me is that I don’t want republicans to gain power. I’m probably sort of sensitive to the assumption that liberals are supportive of every action of the Democratic Party. My ‘liberals that want revolution’ was a bit of an intentional reversion to the overly broad grouping. Not intended to be an insult - more or less a dumb joke best accompanied by a shit-eating grin.