Well, section 31 did save the whole alpha quadrant from the Dominion…
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UlyssesT@hexbear.net 4 weeks ago
It’s a massive, massive red flag when someone goes the “Terran Empire/Section 31 did nothing wrong” route.
It’s very common in zone chat on Star Trek Online. Some fascists just hang around Earth Spacedock all day there, posting nonstop fascist screeds.
Damage@feddit.it 4 weeks ago
UlyssesT@hexbear.net 4 weeks ago
If you believe there was no possible way to do that without an unaccountable space CIA, believe what you will.
If you’re not also posting real-life extermination apologia in public zone chats in online games on the side, good enough for me.
Damage@feddit.it 4 weeks ago
Nah genocide isn’t my jam… But yes, I believe the Dominion war wouldn’t have ended without the virus. The Dominion would have just kept sending ships and Jem’Hadar from the Gamma quadrant.
UlyssesT@hexbear.net 4 weeks ago
Of course, because it’s fiction, and whatever the writer says is the only solution winds up being the necessary solution. That’s why torture provides useful and accurate information and is necessary in “24” and why poisoning an entire planetary population is necessary with no other options presented as possible for the sake of interstellar peace.
sirblastalot@ttrpg.network 2 weeks ago
Every captain gets a little genocide, as a treat.
buckykat@hexbear.net 4 weeks ago
Discovery bringing Georgiou back in season 2 as a Section 31 agent felt to me like the show was doing this, and is what put me off that show specifically. I really like the majority of modern Trek shows, and even like 2 out of 3 of the Kelvin timeline movies.
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 4 weeks ago
Georgiou eventually turned on her S31 superiors, joined the Discovery crew, and tried to make the Mirror Universe better when the Guardian (sort of) gave her the opportunity.
UlyssesT@hexbear.net 4 weeks ago
Space Hitler felt kind of bad about some things and made some friends and promises to make the next Reich a little nicer. sus
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 4 weeks ago
So what about any of that screams “the Terran Empire did nothing wrong” to you? Or would you rather keep deflecting?
ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 4 weeks ago
I think they brought her back in an attempt to backpedal the absolute fucking disaster that was season 1. I honestly enjoy Discovery as sci-fi, but when I rewatch Season 1 I can’t shake the feeling they took another IPs pilot and stretched Star Trek over it like a horrible skinsuit.
buckykat@hexbear.net 4 weeks ago
It had exactly the opposite effect for me. I greatly disliked season 1 of Discovery but thought they wrapped it up well enough at the end of the season that they could move on. Georgiou showing back up in season 2 read to me as them having learned absolutely nothing and doubling down on the disaster rather than backpedaling from it.
UlyssesT@hexbear.net 4 weeks ago
I was generous, even patient, with Strange New Worlds and enjoyed it for the most part, if only because it was not Discovery and its tiresome contrarian “what if evil people… adorable scamps? What if everyone is kind of an asshole? What if moral ambiguity makes the audience feel very very smart while justifying whatever the writers want to show without feeling bad about it?”
buckykat@hexbear.net 4 weeks ago
I like Strange New Worlds. Very much hoping they complicate the Gorn cliffhanger they left the last season off with though.
UlyssesT@hexbear.net 4 weeks ago
It was weird explaining to my wife (who only watched SNW and only knew about TOS from secondhand sources) that Kirk would totally strike a truce with the Gorn… and that’s why some of them were just chilling, having a nice wedding in Lower Decks that Rutherford rudely interrupted.