Comment on Lemmy devs are considering making all votes public - have your say

5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• rglullis@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  environment more hostile to discussion and honest exchange.

  “Voting” and “discussion” are separate things. The old forums did not have voting but still had polarization, personal attacks, hellthreads, etc.

  The problem is that Reddit/Facebook turned “voting” from a tool meant to measure “quality” (e.g, this post is relevant to the community, this comment does not add to the discussion) into a tool to measure “popularity” (I agree with this, so I vote up. I don’t like this, so I downvote).

  Either get rid of voting altogether, or let’s bring back a culture where “votes” are meant to signal quality.

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  • shadowbert@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Reeditors did that, rather than reddit I’d argue. Still the same result of becoming a far less useful heuristic though.

    Not really sure how to “fix” a system like that, which depends on the masses to do something correctly. They… don’t.

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    • rglullis@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We can fix that by having moderators that can establish clear guidelines and show enough authority and can be trusted by the community. And yes, if the guidelines include something like:

      Downvotes are not for disagreement. It's fine to downvote if the argument is false or deliberately misleading, but if someone is making a good faith argument that you disagree with, either make a constructive response or simply let it go
      

      Then the mods would be completely justified to call out users who are drive-by downvoting.

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      • shadowbert@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        But… we had those on reddit. I didn’t see many actual examples of the “moderator gone power crazy” stereotype that is so often echoed there (especially by people who fully deserved the moderator action they received).

        The issue wasn’t that the rules were clear. The issue was that people refused to read them in the first place, and became hyper-defensive and obstinate whenever they were called out on it, even by moderators.

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      • AchtungDrempels@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Or some self entitled 3rd party admin would do that just because they’d feel like people owed them explanations.

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  • autokludge@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    (Score: 5, Insightful)

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    • rglullis@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Meta-moderation and multi-dimensional voting. We were happier with slashdot and we took it for granted.

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• Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Maybe the upvotes should only be available to the person who owns the comment or post. Maybe to the mods and admins, too?

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• index@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Same idiots playing games with each others in the open is better than bots and manipulation going on behind the scenes.

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